It''s been a month now since the last posting to this list from a Sun/Oracle employee. It also seems that all commits to the source tree have ceased. Something appears to be happening to this project - does anyone know anything? Thanks, Kent
Hi, Le 11 mars 2010 à 01:24, Kent Watsen a écrit :> > It''s been a month now since the last posting to this list from a Sun/Oracle employee. It also seems that all commits to the source tree have ceased. Something appears to be happening to this project - does anyone know anything?Seems there is nothing going out from Oracle, seems that also people in Sun/Oracle has to not talk about that.... I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions... but since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided to work under the hell that is Linux and all the stuff around it. So bad, Sun/Oracle has gold under their feets : - crossbow - zfs - xen but they don''t promote it or even help startup that want to add a sticker "powered by opensolaris"... /Xavier -- Xavier Beaudouin - xb@soprive.net GPG Fingerprints : A6B2 D563 F93B A3AF C08A CBAC 6BC6 79EB DCC9 9867
Am 11.03.2010 11:28, schrieb Xavier Beaudouin:> Hi, > > Le 11 mars 2010 à 01:24, Kent Watsen a écrit : > >> >> It''s been a month now since the last posting to this list from a Sun/Oracle employee. It also seems that all commits to the source tree have ceased. Something appears to be happening to this project - does anyone know anything? > > > Seems there is nothing going out from Oracle, seems that also people in Sun/Oracle has to not talk about that.... > > I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions... but since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided to work under the hell that is Linux and all the stuff around it. > > So bad, Sun/Oracle has gold under their feets : > > - crossbow > - zfs > - xenYou forgot to add here: - zones - the pkg system - the cluster stuff (management as a cluser service of all dom0s in a zone?) ... Florian
> I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the >only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions...but> since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided towork under the hell > that is Linux and all the stuff around it. 1. I don''t consider F12 and Ubuntu 9.10 Server as a hell for Xen 3.4.3, 4.0 2. Oracle VM x86_64 i believe is based on outdated Xen implementation on RHEL Xen 3.1.2, Kernel 3.0.3. Hard to say how long they will be happy with that config (Linux) Solaris 11 with xVM 3.4.2 would mean relatively painless moving Oracle VM to Solaris 11. Servers consolidation - Solaris 11 PV guests, each one running 11g instance, utilizing Zvols as data storage for oracle''s data files. The cut of the edge technology been tuned for about 20 years. Oracle advertising policy really seems strange. They might be aware of issues which are unknown for people outside company. --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> wrote: From: Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? To: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 5:28 AM Hi, Le 11 mars 2010 à 01:24, Kent Watsen a écrit :> > It''s been a month now since the last posting to this list from a Sun/Oracle employee. It also seems that all commits to the source tree have ceased. Something appears to be happening to this project - does anyone know anything?Seems there is nothing going out from Oracle, seems that also people in Sun/Oracle has to not talk about that.... I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions... but since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided to work under the hell that is Linux and all the stuff around it. So bad, Sun/Oracle has gold under their feets : - crossbow - zfs - xen but they don''t promote it or even help startup that want to add a sticker "powered by opensolaris"... /Xavier -- Xavier Beaudouin - xb@soprive.net GPG Fingerprints : A6B2 D563 F93B A3AF C08A CBAC 6BC6 79EB DCC9 9867 _______________________________________________ xen-discuss mailing list xen-discuss@opensolaris.org
> 2. Oracle VM x86_64 i believe is based on outdated Xen implementation on > RHEL > Xen 3.1.2, Kernel 3.0.3. Hard to say how long they will be happy with thatOVM 2.2 runs on 3.4.0 -Petr
What Linux ? (Dom0) --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> wrote: From: Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? To: "Boris Derzhavets" <bderzhavets@yahoo.com> Cc: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org>, "Xavier Beaudouin" <xb@soprive.net> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:41 AM> 2. Oracle VM x86_64 i believe is based on outdated Xen implementation on > RHEL > Xen 3.1.2, Kernel 3.0.3. Hard to say how long they will be happy with thatOVM 2.2 runs on 3.4.0 -Petr
2.6.18-128.2.1.4.9.el5xen 32-bit On 11/03/2010, Boris Derzhavets <bderzhavets@yahoo.com> wrote:> What Linux ? (Dom0) > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? > To: "Boris Derzhavets" <bderzhavets@yahoo.com> > Cc: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" > <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org>, "Xavier Beaudouin" <xb@soprive.net> > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:41 AM > >> 2. Oracle VM x86_64 i believe is based on outdated Xen implementation on >> RHEL >> Xen 3.1.2, Kernel 3.0.3. Hard to say how long they will be happy with that > > OVM 2.2 runs on 3.4.0 > > -Petr > > > >
If i am not asking too much questions, what kind kernel supports Dom0 ( version ?), what Linux they use for Xen 3.4 Dom0 port ? --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> wrote: From: Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? To: "Boris Derzhavets" <bderzhavets@yahoo.com> Cc: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org>, "Xavier Beaudouin" <xb@soprive.net> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:41 AM> 2. Oracle VM x86_64 i believe is based on outdated Xen implementation on > RHEL > Xen 3.1.2, Kernel 3.0.3. Hard to say how long they will be happy with thatOVM 2.2 runs on 3.4.0 -Petr
Hi ! Le 11 mars 2010 à 12:58, Boris Derzhavets a écrit :> > I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the >only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions... but > > since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided to work under the hell > that is Linux and all the stuff around it. > > 1. I don''t consider F12 and Ubuntu 9.10 Server as a hell for Xen 3.4.3, 4.0It is. Try to do a dom0 with F12. You will have to - recompile a kernel with xen patches or - take xen 4.0.0-rcx and use Mickeal Young kernel... Why do I have to do that ? just because xen dom0 patches are not integrated into stock kernel sources.... But xen is not really new... It exists since around 2005... Now try to deploy thousands of servers with xen... F12 is good... because kickstart it nice and working. Yum it good stuff it work. Ubuntu... well... as debian based system auto installation of this... is moslty working, but there is always something that don''t work. And I don''t speak about all linuxish and brain damange : - ipv4 / ipv6 stack - bridge system that is .... hum strange - the concept of "patch of the day" and that things that turns around : why on hell reinvent the wheel (eg btrfs vs zfs). Now add Infiniband on Linux and Xen and will get lots of work...> 2. Oracle VM x86_64 i believe is based on outdated Xen implementation on RHEL > Xen 3.1.2, Kernel 3.0.3. Hard to say how long they will be happy with that config (Linux)Yeah... RHEL is linux, working but yet still linux...> Solaris 11 with xVM 3.4.2 would mean relatively painless moving Oracle VM to Solaris 11. Servers consolidation - Solaris 11 PV guests, each one running 11g instance, utilizing Zvols as data storage for oracle''s data files. The cut of the edge technology been tuned for about 20 years. Oracle advertising policy really seems strange. They might be aware of issues which are unknown for people outside company.Yes sure, that''s bad they don''t want to speak about that. My company will be very happy to work with OpenSolaris because mostly I am sure that the software I do will continue to work in the next 3 years (yes short time...) not vanished in the next 3 months because of internal affairs in Linux. I was considering the following things : - OpenSolaris + xvm -> all is good but instabilities and the silence of opensolaris community make this to be... void. Also AI is pain in the ass to do... - NetBSD + Xen -> very good stuff... was *the* best choice... but... there is no IB support :( - FreeBSD + Xen -> no IB / no dom0 :/ - Linux... o debian : ib stack is not done... and not ported... we have OFED 1.4... no idea when this will added into mainstream -> dead end o Ubuntu : same a debian o RHEL : old Xen o F12 : ok... but kernel woes make me angry... /Xavier> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> wrote: > > From: Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> > Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? > To: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org> > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 5:28 AM > > Hi, > > Le 11 mars 2010 à 01:24, Kent Watsen a écrit : > > > > > It''s been a month now since the last posting to this list from a Sun/Oracle employee. It also seems that all commits to the source tree have ceased. Something appears to be happening to this project - does anyone know anything? > > > Seems there is nothing going out from Oracle, seems that also people in Sun/Oracle has to not talk about that.... > > I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions... but since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided to work under the hell that is Linux and all the stuff around it. > > So bad, Sun/Oracle has gold under their feets : > > - crossbow > - zfs > - xen > > but they don''t promote it or even help startup that want to add a sticker "powered by opensolaris"... > > /Xavier > > -- > Xavier Beaudouin - xb@soprive.net > GPG Fingerprints : A6B2 D563 F93B A3AF C08A CBAC 6BC6 79EB DCC9 9867 > > _______________________________________________ > xen-discuss mailing list > xen-discuss@opensolaris.org >-- Xavier Beaudouin - xb@soprive.net GPG Fingerprints : A6B2 D563 F93B A3AF C08A CBAC 6BC6 79EB DCC9 9867
Thank you. It''s fair enough. Upgrading Xen Hypervisor keeping RHEL patched xenified kernel is available in FOSS as well via http://gitco.de/repo ( up to 3.4.2) --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> wrote: From: Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? To: "Boris Derzhavets" <bderzhavets@yahoo.com> Cc: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org>, "Xavier Beaudouin" <xb@soprive.net> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:55 AM 2.6.18-128.2.1.4.9.el5xen 32-bit On 11/03/2010, Boris Derzhavets <bderzhavets@yahoo.com> wrote:> What Linux ? (Dom0) > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Petr Benes <petrben@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? > To: "Boris Derzhavets" <bderzhavets@yahoo.com> > Cc: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" > <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org>, "Xavier Beaudouin" <xb@soprive.net> > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:41 AM > >> 2. Oracle VM x86_64 i believe is based on outdated Xen implementation on >> RHEL >> Xen 3.1.2, Kernel 3.0.3. Hard to say how long they will be happy with that > > OVM 2.2 runs on 3.4.0 > > -Petr > > > >
> F12 : ok... but kernel woes make me angry...Jerermy Fitzhardinge @ Citrix is PVOps kernel developer lead . Several options are available in meantime view this blog entry :- http://bderzhavets.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/set-up-xen-3-4-3-dom0-via-xenified-2-6-31-12-kernel-on-top-ubuntu-9-10-server/ View also PVOPS Wiki by Pasi Karkkanen . It may even better than my short blog. Xen 4.0 & 3.4.3 official releases should be out with stable pvops kernel, not sure which branch of JF''s Git Repo will be selected. It''s a question of one month. --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> wrote: From: Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? To: "Boris Derzhavets" <bderzhavets@yahoo.com> Cc: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 8:01 AM Hi ! Le 11 mars 2010 à 12:58, Boris Derzhavets a écrit :> > I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the >only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions... but > > since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided to work under the hell > that is Linux and all the stuff around it. > > 1. I don''t consider F12 and Ubuntu 9.10 Server as a hell for Xen 3.4.3, 4.0It is. Try to do a dom0 with F12. You will have to - recompile a kernel with xen patches or - take xen 4.0.0-rcx and use Mickeal Young kernel... Why do I have to do that ? just because xen dom0 patches are not integrated into stock kernel sources.... But xen is not really new... It exists since around 2005... Now try to deploy thousands of servers with xen... F12 is good... because kickstart it nice and working. Yum it good stuff it work. Ubuntu... well... as debian based system auto installation of this... is moslty working, but there is always something that don''t work. And I don''t speak about all linuxish and brain damange : - ipv4 / ipv6 stack - bridge system that is .... hum strange - the concept of "patch of the day" and that things that turns around : why on hell reinvent the wheel (eg btrfs vs zfs). Now add Infiniband on Linux and Xen and will get lots of work...> 2. Oracle VM x86_64 i believe is based on outdated Xen implementation on RHEL > Xen 3.1.2, Kernel 3.0.3. Hard to say how long they will be happy with that config (Linux)Yeah... RHEL is linux, working but yet still linux...> Solaris 11 with xVM 3.4.2 would mean relatively painless moving Oracle VM to Solaris 11. Servers consolidation - Solaris 11 PV guests, each one running 11g instance, utilizing Zvols as data storage for oracle''s data files. The cut of the edge technology been tuned for about 20 years. Oracle advertising policy really seems strange. They might be aware of issues which are unknown for people outside company.Yes sure, that''s bad they don''t want to speak about that. My company will be very happy to work with OpenSolaris because mostly I am sure that the software I do will continue to work in the next 3 years (yes short time...) not vanished in the next 3 months because of internal affairs in Linux. I was considering the following things : - OpenSolaris + xvm -> all is good but instabilities and the silence of opensolaris community make this to be... void. Also AI is pain in the ass to do... - NetBSD + Xen -> very good stuff... was *the* best choice... but... there is no IB support :( - FreeBSD + Xen -> no IB / no dom0 :/ - Linux... o debian : ib stack is not done... and not ported... we have OFED 1.4... no idea when this will added into mainstream -> dead end o Ubuntu : same a debian o RHEL : old Xen o F12 : ok... but kernel woes make me angry... /Xavier> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> wrote: > > From: Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> > Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? > To: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org> > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 5:28 AM > > Hi, > > Le 11 mars 2010 à 01:24, Kent Watsen a écrit : > > > > > It''s been a month now since the last posting to this list from a Sun/Oracle employee. It also seems that all commits to the source tree have ceased. Something appears to be happening to this project - does anyone know anything? > > > Seems there is nothing going out from Oracle, seems that also people in Sun/Oracle has to not talk about that.... > > I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions... but since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided to work under the hell that is Linux and all the stuff around it. > > So bad, Sun/Oracle has gold under their feets : > > - crossbow > - zfs > - xen > > but they don''t promote it or even help startup that want to add a sticker "powered by opensolaris"... > > /Xavier > > -- > Xavier Beaudouin - xb@soprive.net > GPG Fingerprints : A6B2 D563 F93B A3AF C08A CBAC 6BC6 79EB DCC9 9867 > > _______________________________________________ > xen-discuss mailing list > xen-discuss@opensolaris.org >-- Xavier Beaudouin - xb@soprive.net GPG Fingerprints : A6B2 D563 F93B A3AF C08A CBAC 6BC6 79EB DCC9 9867
Regarding set up Xen Host on top on F12 you may also view:- http://bderzhavets.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/setup-ubuntu-9-10-server-pv-domu-at-xen-3-4-1-dom0-2-6-31-6-pvops-kernel-on-top-of-fedora-12/ Of course src.rpm may may be built for any Xen you like :- http://www.linuxtoday.com/high_performance/2010030901635OSSV --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> wrote: From: Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? To: "Boris Derzhavets" <bderzhavets@yahoo.com> Cc: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 8:01 AM Hi ! Le 11 mars 2010 à 12:58, Boris Derzhavets a écrit :> > I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the >only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions... but > > since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided to work under the hell > that is Linux and all the stuff around it. > > 1. I don''t consider F12 and Ubuntu 9.10 Server as a hell for Xen 3.4.3, 4.0It is. Try to do a dom0 with F12. You will have to - recompile a kernel with xen patches or - take xen 4.0.0-rcx and use Mickeal Young kernel... Why do I have to do that ? just because xen dom0 patches are not integrated into stock kernel sources.... But xen is not really new... It exists since around 2005... Now try to deploy thousands of servers with xen... F12 is good... because kickstart it nice and working. Yum it good stuff it work. Ubuntu... well... as debian based system auto installation of this... is moslty working, but there is always something that don''t work. And I don''t speak about all linuxish and brain damange : - ipv4 / ipv6 stack - bridge system that is .... hum strange - the concept of "patch of the day" and that things that turns around : why on hell reinvent the wheel (eg btrfs vs zfs). Now add Infiniband on Linux and Xen and will get lots of work...> 2. Oracle VM x86_64 i believe is based on outdated Xen implementation on RHEL > Xen 3.1.2, Kernel 3.0.3. Hard to say how long they will be happy with that config (Linux)Yeah... RHEL is linux, working but yet still linux...> Solaris 11 with xVM 3.4.2 would mean relatively painless moving Oracle VM to Solaris 11. Servers consolidation - Solaris 11 PV guests, each one running 11g instance, utilizing Zvols as data storage for oracle''s data files. The cut of the edge technology been tuned for about 20 years. Oracle advertising policy really seems strange. They might be aware of issues which are unknown for people outside company.Yes sure, that''s bad they don''t want to speak about that. My company will be very happy to work with OpenSolaris because mostly I am sure that the software I do will continue to work in the next 3 years (yes short time...) not vanished in the next 3 months because of internal affairs in Linux. I was considering the following things : - OpenSolaris + xvm -> all is good but instabilities and the silence of opensolaris community make this to be... void. Also AI is pain in the ass to do... - NetBSD + Xen -> very good stuff... was *the* best choice... but... there is no IB support :( - FreeBSD + Xen -> no IB / no dom0 :/ - Linux... o debian : ib stack is not done... and not ported... we have OFED 1.4... no idea when this will added into mainstream -> dead end o Ubuntu : same a debian o RHEL : old Xen o F12 : ok... but kernel woes make me angry... /Xavier> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> wrote: > > From: Xavier Beaudouin <xb@soprive.net> > Subject: Re: [xen-discuss] what''s going on with the xVM project? > To: "Kent Watsen" <kent@watsen.net>, "Xen discuss" <xen-discuss@opensolaris.org> > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 5:28 AM > > Hi, > > Le 11 mars 2010 à 01:24, Kent Watsen a écrit : > > > > > It''s been a month now since the last posting to this list from a Sun/Oracle employee. It also seems that all commits to the source tree have ceased. Something appears to be happening to this project - does anyone know anything? > > > Seems there is nothing going out from Oracle, seems that also people in Sun/Oracle has to not talk about that.... > > I was thinking to make some work on Xen under OpenSolaris because this was the only reliable alternative to Linux and the inherent bazar of all Linux distributions... but since there is nothing comming out from Sun/Oracle, I decided to work under the hell that is Linux and all the stuff around it. > > So bad, Sun/Oracle has gold under their feets : > > - crossbow > - zfs > - xen > > but they don''t promote it or even help startup that want to add a sticker "powered by opensolaris"... > > /Xavier > > -- > Xavier Beaudouin - xb@soprive.net > GPG Fingerprints : A6B2 D563 F93B A3AF C08A CBAC 6BC6 79EB DCC9 9867 > > _______________________________________________ > xen-discuss mailing list > xen-discuss@opensolaris.org >-- Xavier Beaudouin - xb@soprive.net GPG Fingerprints : A6B2 D563 F93B A3AF C08A CBAC 6BC6 79EB DCC9 9867
See: http://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/2010/02/the_oracle_vm_product_line_wel.html - so when will more details about the new hypervisor integration be released? K. On 3/10/10 7:24 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:> > It''s been a month now since the last posting to this list from a > Sun/Oracle employee. It also seems that all commits to the source > tree have ceased. Something appears to be happening to this project - > does anyone know anything? > > Thanks, > Kent > > _______________________________________________ > xen-discuss mailing list > xen-discuss@opensolaris.org
On 13/03/10 03:24 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:> > See: > http://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/2010/02/the_oracle_vm_product_line_wel.html > > > - so when will more details about the new hypervisor integration be > released?When somebody from Oracle who is designated as Authorised To Comment(tm) is ready make an announcement. People who read and post here are unlikely to be so authorised. In the meantime, your sales rep should be able to get some more information for you. James C. McPherson -- Senior Software Engineer, Solaris Sun Microsystems http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog
On 13.03.10 08:30, James C. McPherson wrote:> On 13/03/10 03:24 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >> >> See: >> http://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/2010/02/the_oracle_vm_product_line_wel.html >> >> >> >> - so when will more details about the new hypervisor integration be >> released? > > When somebody from Oracle who is designated as Authorised > To Comment(tm) is ready make an announcement. People who > read and post here are unlikely to be so authorised. > > > In the meantime, your sales rep should be able to get some > more information for you.and, what''s more, be able to communicate your interest to the people James alludes to above. Michael -- Michael Schuster http://blogs.sun.com/recursion Recursion, n.: see ''Recursion''
michael schuster wrote:> On 13.03.10 08:30, James C. McPherson wrote: >> [snip] >> >> In the meantime, your sales rep should be able to get some >> more information for you. > > and, what''s more, be able to communicate your interest to the people > James alludes to above. > > MichaelMichael''s right, and I can''t emphasize this enough: while James, Michael, myself, and other now-Oracle employees inhabit many of the lists on opensolaris.org, we''re here primarily in a technical aspect, though we certainly have personal opinions. Realistically, our opinions don''t have much impact (if any) on the direction management takes with a product. And we certainly are not authorized (or even could) speak to official directions of products, other than re-iterating what has already been publicly stated elsewhere. YOU, the end-user (and, hopefully, purchaser of lots of expensive stuff!) are who they really listen to. The primary way that you get to impact development is to communicate what you want (and, frankly, are willing to pay for) to Oracle Management. And the simplest, most effective, easiest way to do so is (1) TELL YOUR SALES REPRESENTATIVE (or whomever else you have a business relationship within Sun or Oracle) and (2) VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS - back up what you say with concrete examples to your SalePerson of how you spend your money. If they see you spending it on other folks, they''re gonna want to know why (and how they can get a slice of that revenue). -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA
I understand what you''re saying, but it would have been significantly less dysfunctional if someone had sent a message like the following to this list on or about Feb 26: -----BEGIN----- All, Please note the following: http://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/2010/02/the_oracle_vm_product_line_wel.html As Oracle has a policy of not commenting on products that are either unannounced or not shipping, we cannot provide any further detail. Please ask your sales or support representative for more information Thanks, xVM Team -----END----- I mean, I''m only just know figuring this out, on my own... Thanks, Kent