CentOS - Dec 2020 - [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as quite
arrogant?
> Am 08.12.2020 um 18:11 schrieb Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>:
> 
> ?On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at
redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
>>>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement
with
>>>> the community.  Why would we trust these promises?
>>> 
>>> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires
that the
>>> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone
expects to
>>> just magically happen.
>>> 
>>> 
>> The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to
"engage." We don't
>> have time for that.
>> 
>> We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been
>> diverging from this for a while (note the change in version
names/numbers)
>> and we DON'T WANT THAT!
> 
> Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if you
> qualify for it.
> 
> Here is how you can convert:
> 
> https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841
> 
> Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you
> can just get for free.
> 
> Or, you can do something else.  It is all up to you.
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On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:20 PM Marc Balmer via CentOS <centos at
centos.org>
wrote:
> Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as
> quite arrogant?
>
Clearly, you haven't been around here long. :)

This is par for the course here, and extremely frustrating.


>
> > Am 08.12.2020 um 18:11 schrieb Johnny Hughes <johnny at
centos.org>:
> >
> > ?On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at
redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> >>>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better
engagement with
> >>>> the community.  Why would we trust these promises?
> >>>
> >>> "Better engagement with the community" of course
requires that the
> >>> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone
expects to
> >>> just magically happen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to
"engage." We
> don't
> >> have time for that.
> >>
> >> We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has
been
> >> diverging from this for a while (note the change in version
> names/numbers)
> >> and we DON'T WANT THAT!
> >
> > Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if
you
> > qualify for it.
> >
> > Here is how you can convert:
> >
> > https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841
> >
> > Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you
> > can just get for free.
> >
> > Or, you can do something else.  It is all up to you.
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> > CentOS at centos.org
> > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
>
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On 12/8/20 11:19 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote:
> Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as quite
arrogant?
I am sorry you feel that way.  I was trying to help.  Red Hat has
several programs where they give away RHEL for free.  CentOS Stream is
free.  CentOS Linux 8 is going away in at the end of 2021.

Those are facts.

He said he wanted free Linux and did not want to interact with the
community.  I provided all the alternatives that i know for that.

Stream, a qualified version of RHEL that can be obtained from Red Hat
for free (has nothing to do with CentOS) or some other distribution.

I am not being arrogant or negative.  Just pointing out facts.

I have been doing this for 17 years.  I would continue doing for 17
more.  But it is what it is and wishing for it to be different is not
going to happen.  I know .. I've tried.
> 
>> Am 08.12.2020 um 18:11 schrieb Johnny Hughes <johnny at
centos.org>:
>>
>> ?On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at
redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
>>>>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better
engagement with
>>>>> the community.  Why would we trust these promises?
>>>>
>>>> "Better engagement with the community" of course
requires that the
>>>> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone
expects to
>>>> just magically happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to
"engage." We don't
>>> have time for that.
>>>
>>> We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has
been
>>> diverging from this for a while (note the change in version
names/numbers)
>>> and we DON'T WANT THAT!
>>
>> Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if
you
>> qualify for it.
>>
>> Here is how you can convert:
>>
>> https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841
>>
>> Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you
>> can just get for free.
>>
>> Or, you can do something else.  It is all up to you.

Il 08/12/20 18:19, Marc Balmer via CentOS ha scritto:
> Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as quite
arrogant?
No and this is not started with the current discussion.