Johnny Hughes
2020-Dec-08 17:11 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: >>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with >>> the community. Why would we trust these promises? >> >> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that the >> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects to >> just magically happen. >> >> > The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to "engage." We don't > have time for that. > > We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been > diverging from this for a while (note the change in version names/numbers) > and we DON'T WANT THAT!Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if you qualify for it. Here is how you can convert: https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841 Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you can just get for free. Or, you can do something else. It is all up to you.
Tom Bishop
2020-Dec-08 17:18 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 11:11 AM Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote:> On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: > >>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with > >>> the community. Why would we trust these promises? > >> > >> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that the > >> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects to > >> just magically happen. > >> > >> > > The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to "engage." We > don't > > have time for that. > > > > We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been > > diverging from this for a while (note the change in version > names/numbers) > > and we DON'T WANT THAT! > > Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if you > qualify for it. > > Here is how you can convert: > > https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841 > > Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you > can just get for free. > > Or, you can do something else. It is all up to you. > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> Or you could do this https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/Sad day when Oracle becomes a better alternative.
Marc Balmer
2020-Dec-08 17:19 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as quite arrogant?> Am 08.12.2020 um 18:11 schrieb Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>: > > ?On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: >>>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with >>>> the community. Why would we trust these promises? >>> >>> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that the >>> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects to >>> just magically happen. >>> >>> >> The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to "engage." We don't >> have time for that. >> >> We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been >> diverging from this for a while (note the change in version names/numbers) >> and we DON'T WANT THAT! > > Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if you > qualify for it. > > Here is how you can convert: > > https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841 > > Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you > can just get for free. > > Or, you can do something else. It is all up to you. > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Phelps, Matthew
2020-Dec-08 17:21 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:11 PM Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote:> On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: > >>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with > >>> the community. Why would we trust these promises? > >> > >> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that the > >> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects to > >> just magically happen. > >> > >> > > The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to "engage." We > don't > > have time for that. > > > > We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been > > diverging from this for a while (note the change in version > names/numbers) > > and we DON'T WANT THAT! > > Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if you > qualify for it. > >I want what was promised to us in the past. On the schedule that was already published. Here is how you can convert:> > https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841 > > Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you > can just get for free. > > Or, you can do something else. It is all up to you. >No, it's *because* of you (collective "you," that is) that we have to do way more work than we planned, or have budgeted for. It's not "up to me." There are many other forces here that are extremely hard to change. I'm not talking about reinstalling my laptop. Remember that the "E" stands for "Enterprise." Can you not see that we are pissed off because what was advertised as being stable through 2029 has been swept out from under us? All you have to do is postpone this *massive* change to CentOS 9, and announce that from the beginning. The reaction to this is universally negative. _______________________________________________> CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >-- *Matt Phelps* *Information Technology Specialist, Systems Administrator* (Computation Facility, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory) Center for Astrophysics | Harvard & Smithsonian 60 Garden Street | MS 39 | Cambridge, MA 02138 email: mphelps at cfa.harvard.edu cfa.harvard.edu | Facebook <http://cfa.harvard.edu/facebook> | Twitter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/twitter> | YouTube <http://cfa.harvard.edu/youtube> | Newsletter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/newsletter>
Leon Fauster
2020-Dec-08 19:31 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
Am 08.12.20 um 18:11 schrieb Johnny Hughes:> On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: >>>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with >>>> the community. Why would we trust these promises? >>> >>> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that the >>> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects to >>> just magically happen. >>> >>> >> The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to "engage." We don't >> have time for that. >> >> We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been >> diverging from this for a while (note the change in version names/numbers) >> and we DON'T WANT THAT! > > Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if you > qualify for it. > ...https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-server -> Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server -> Choose your subscription -> SELF-SUPPORT (1 YEAR) >>>>Is not intended for production environments.<<<<< What? -- Leon