CentOS - Dec 2020 - [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> > I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with
> > the community.  Why would we trust these promises?
>
> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that
the
> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects to
> just magically happen.
>
>
The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to "engage."
We don't
have time for that.

We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been
diverging from this for a while (note the change in version names/numbers)
and we DON'T WANT THAT!


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On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com>
wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
>>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement
with
>>> the community.  Why would we trust these promises?
>>
>> "Better engagement with the community" of course requires
that the
>> community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone expects
to
>> just magically happen.
>>
>>
> The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to
"engage." We don't
> have time for that.
> 
> We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been
> diverging from this for a while (note the change in version names/numbers)
> and we DON'T WANT THAT!
Right, you want free RHEL .. so get in touch with Red Hat and see if you
qualify for it.

Here is how you can convert:

https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841

Or, you can see if Stream can meet your requirements of something you
can just get for free.

Or, you can do something else.  It is all up to you.

> Am 08.12.2020 um 18:02 schrieb Phelps, Matthew <mphelps at
cfa.harvard.edu>:
> 
> The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to
"engage." We don't
> have time for that.
> 

You do understand that Open Source does not work like that?

> We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been
> diverging from this for a while (note the change in version names/numbers)
> and we DON'T WANT THAT!

If you cannot justify the expenses for RHEL, then you need to compromise.
That?s like requesting free Windows licenses.

Either use Fedora, or CentOS Stream or something different.

You will likely find, however, that most Open Source software is driven by the
people who commit code (the successful ones at least).

Those who commit code are nowadays usually employed by a company, which in
itself either makes money directly or indirectly from the work of the people who
commit the code.

So, you will quickly be back to square one, unless you want to run stuff like
Debian or Ubuntu, which are mainly Linux-kernel+some stuff nowadays, whereas
RHEL + CentOS forms a complete system (with additional software that RedHat has
developed or acquired over the years).

Debian + Ubuntu are no replacements for CentOS/RHEL, IMO. They are something
different.