On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:27 PM Matthew Macy <mmacy at freebsd.org> wrote:
> Hi Owen -
> I understand that you're enthusiastic and you just want what's best
for
> the project. However, there's a couple of points I hope you'll take
to
> heart. First, please read what you sent and think about the tone and word
> choice. It's extremely negative and critical - you're actively
alienating
> people on the list. You're not going to be successful engaging any open
> source community or workplace if you choose to communicate like this.
> Second, this is a volunteer project. One needs to establish a track record
> of producing patches and working with developers to get them committed.
> Regardless of how sound your technical position is - you're going to
have a
> hard time being acknowledged if there is no contribution to match.
>
> Best wishes.
> -M
>
True on both points my tone is just a reflection of attitudes of the
individuals that I am currently addressing.
Some people enjoy making contributions w/o waving a banner constantly
wanting acknowledgement, a pat on the head and good job from everyone.
How far will core FreeBSD bend over backwards to accommodate these devs.
Their project is half baked at best and sure it works; sorta if the moon is
just right.
This is the beauty of an open source project, we bring the best to the
table, not rip off two legs only to glue them back on later just
slightly askew.
This isn't a world where everyone gets a gold star, people fail even if
they work very hard, failure is still an option.
I guess the most important question to ask is what's the standards that the
FreeBSD Foundation want to represent, uphold, and maintain?
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 4:07 PM blubee blubeeme <gurenchan at
gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 6:26 AM Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 4:20 PM Matthew Macy <mmacy at
freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 14:53 Ali <aliovx at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM -0700, Matthew Macy
wrote:
>>> > > > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 20180821:
>>> > > > drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on
powerpc, 32-bit
>>> > > hardware,
>>> > > > or with GPUs predating Radeon and i915 will
need to
>>> install the
>>> > > > graphics/drm-legacy-kmod. All other users
should be able
>>> to use
>>> > > > one of the LinuxKPI-based ports:
graphics/drm-stable-kmod,
>>> > > > graphics/drm-next-kmod,
graphics/drm-devel-kmod.
>>> > > > Note that this applies only to 12.
>>> > >
>>> > > I see that The removal of drm and drm2 has been reverted
on svn.
>>> Could
>>> > > you please kindly share the reasons behind the
re-inclusion?
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I can?t really give the blow by blow of internal project
drama, but the
>>> > gist of it is that ?best practices? (which are not yet
actually
>>> documented
>>> > anywhere that I?ve seen) were not followed with regards to the
>>> deprecation
>>> > process. Warner and others believe that we can address the
objectives
>>> of
>>> > the drm removal (improving the user experience and
communicating that
>>> > drm/drm2 are _completely_ unsupported apart from continuing to
compile)
>>> > through less disruptive means.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Just so.
>>>
>>> Our only continued frustration is that we were never given any
guidance
>>> by
>>> > RE or core on said ?best practices? when the discussion was
taking
>>> place in
>>> > May and then those groups behaved as if this were a surprise
when the
>>> > removal happened. I?m cautiously optimistic that this well
expedite
>>> > improving communications on those matters.
>>> >
>>>
>>> All the problems that are exposed by this aren't technical.
This one is
>>> social, but no less important.
>>>
>>> Warner
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>>
>> I've been watching this debacle for quite some time now and I'd
just like
>> to ask why the rush?
>>
>> The graphics team is working very hard to destroy the stability of
>> FreeBSD just so that they can force their uncooked work down users
throats.
>>
>> The Linuxkpi is unstable at best, alpha level software that's
constantly
>> in need of someone to go and fix something on FreeBSD because Linux
devs
>> decided to make some changes or implement a new feature.
>>
>> This project: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Use%20linuxkpi%20in%20DRM
>> Goals
>>
>> - Move DRM headers to a similar location as Linux
>> -
>>
>> Use kmalloc() instead of malloc(9)
>> - Use kref
>> -
>>
>> Use idr and get rid of drm_gem_names.c
>> - Use PCI API
>> - Use Linux locking primitives
>>
>> is garbage, if you want to use develop Linux code and use Linux then go
>> do that on Linux.
>>
>> Are these guys insane and please avoid the nonsense about you're
doing
>> this in your spare time.
>>
>> If you cannot devote the resources to do something right then don't
do it
>> at all.
>>
>> Keep that stuff in to yourself or anyone crazy enough to follow those
>> steps to get it up and running, you guys cannot expect to contaminate
the
>> entire FreeBSD project for this mess.
>>
>> This is nonsense and I hope that more people who see it as such would
say
>> so and stop having these guys forcing this crap; it's maintenance
hell who
>> will maintain it if they decide to leave?
>>
>> Best,
>> Owen
>>
>>
>