Now that we have the Newbies list in place, I''ve resubscribed here but I intend to try to stay in the background. I will however be very visible to people who should be posting in the Newbies list but who post here instead. -Tom -- Tom Eastep \ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool Shoreline, \ http://shorewall.net Washington USA \ teastep@shorewall.net