Dear All,
First of all, many thanks to all R contributors for a fantastic
program, and especially to Hadley Wickham for creating ggplot2. The
following is intended to be a warning that, if the apparently
superficial problems described are not sorted out, R could well find
itself being superceded. The reason is that a new user wants to draw a
graph, and perhaps publish in a scientific journal a graph created
using R, well before wanting to do a complex regression (and the
latter is relatively easy). So here goes:
1) The saga of the straight line. I implemented a geom_abline - it
looked superb. Unfortunately I had to disable clip to allow text - now
my abline looked ridiculous. My search found plotrix: ablineclip -
fantastic I thought - but it applies to plot and not geom_plot. I
switched to geom_segment - the rendering looked trash. I switched to
geom_smooth - should work but as I don't know the x values beforehand
I'll have to clip a new dataframe - it that a hassle ? - Yes it is !
So my general question is - why isn't ggplot2 already part
of R base - or at least if someone is to create useful packages for
plot - perhaps a subtle hint could be made that they should also apply
to ggplot2 (and perhaps to lattice ?? - also personally I would scrap
qplot as an unnecessary distraction which is not easier to implement
than ggplot). In general duplication of packages for plot and ggplot
doesn't seem like a good idea.
2) The saga of the italic letter. I found, to my dismay, that to
insert an italic letter into my plot I had to learn a whole new
language called plotmath - which wouldn't accept normal R coding, and
didn't even have normal control functions such as /n for a new line.
This is ridiculous (and I'm not sure how plotmath managed to get into
R base).
So my question is, when is plotmath going to have a
complete overhaul to allow eg. "," instead of, or as well as, ~,~, and
normal control functions such as \n ?
3) A related question to (2) is: where is geom_textbox ?
4) Where are examples with scientific graph defaults ? (meaning a
two-axis graph which is publishable - I will post my own after this is
published in a years time, but as suggested above, while the graph
looks good the implementation of this is not pretty).
Having said that - good luck with implementation - and many thanks for
all your hard work !
Yours sincerely,
Abiologist
Jeremy: I suggest you have a look at the latest edition of Paul Murrell's book, "R Graphics", as you seem to be unaware that ggplot2 (as well as a 3rd graphics paradigm, the lattice package) and base graphics are built on 2 different and incompatible graphics engines. Obviously, you are entitled to your opinions and graphical predilections vary, but I do not think R-Help is a good venue for these sorts of discussions. The R-devel list might be a better place to discuss such matters. Cheers, Bert Bert Gunter Genentech Nonclinical Biostatistics (650) 467-7374 "Data is not information. Information is not knowledge. And knowledge is certainly not wisdom." Clifford Stoll On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Jeremy Clark <jeremyclarkbio at gmail.com> wrote:> Dear All, > > First of all, many thanks to all R contributors for a fantastic > program, and especially to Hadley Wickham for creating ggplot2. The > following is intended to be a warning that, if the apparently > superficial problems described are not sorted out, R could well find > itself being superceded. The reason is that a new user wants to draw a > graph, and perhaps publish in a scientific journal a graph created > using R, well before wanting to do a complex regression (and the > latter is relatively easy). So here goes: > > 1) The saga of the straight line. I implemented a geom_abline - it > looked superb. Unfortunately I had to disable clip to allow text - now > my abline looked ridiculous. My search found plotrix: ablineclip - > fantastic I thought - but it applies to plot and not geom_plot. I > switched to geom_segment - the rendering looked trash. I switched to > geom_smooth - should work but as I don't know the x values beforehand > I'll have to clip a new dataframe - it that a hassle ? - Yes it is ! > > So my general question is - why isn't ggplot2 already part > of R base - or at least if someone is to create useful packages for > plot - perhaps a subtle hint could be made that they should also apply > to ggplot2 (and perhaps to lattice ?? - also personally I would scrap > qplot as an unnecessary distraction which is not easier to implement > than ggplot). In general duplication of packages for plot and ggplot > doesn't seem like a good idea. > > > 2) The saga of the italic letter. I found, to my dismay, that to > insert an italic letter into my plot I had to learn a whole new > language called plotmath - which wouldn't accept normal R coding, and > didn't even have normal control functions such as /n for a new line. > This is ridiculous (and I'm not sure how plotmath managed to get into > R base). > > So my question is, when is plotmath going to have a > complete overhaul to allow eg. "," instead of, or as well as, ~,~, and > normal control functions such as \n ? > > 3) A related question to (2) is: where is geom_textbox ? > > 4) Where are examples with scientific graph defaults ? (meaning a > two-axis graph which is publishable - I will post my own after this is > published in a years time, but as suggested above, while the graph > looks good the implementation of this is not pretty). > > Having said that - good luck with implementation - and many thanks for > all your hard work ! > > Yours sincerely, > > Abiologist > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
More useful to the r-help list would be a reproducible example of the data you are using and a clear statement of what you are trying to accomplish. It is likely that all of your requirements can be easily met, but you spent most of your message talking about what you have tried without telling us where you want to end up. People on the list are familiar with base graphics, lattice graphics, and ggplot2. If you list your requirements clearly, you might end up with three solutions. ------------------------------------- David L Carlson Department of Anthropology Texas A&M University College Station, TX 77840-4352 -----Original Message----- From: R-help [mailto:r-help-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Bert Gunter Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:41 PM To: Jeremy Clark Cc: r-help at r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] Graphs for scientific publication ? Jeremy: I suggest you have a look at the latest edition of Paul Murrell's book, "R Graphics", as you seem to be unaware that ggplot2 (as well as a 3rd graphics paradigm, the lattice package) and base graphics are built on 2 different and incompatible graphics engines. Obviously, you are entitled to your opinions and graphical predilections vary, but I do not think R-Help is a good venue for these sorts of discussions. The R-devel list might be a better place to discuss such matters. Cheers, Bert Bert Gunter Genentech Nonclinical Biostatistics (650) 467-7374 "Data is not information. Information is not knowledge. And knowledge is certainly not wisdom." Clifford Stoll On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Jeremy Clark <jeremyclarkbio at gmail.com> wrote:> Dear All, > > First of all, many thanks to all R contributors for a fantastic > program, and especially to Hadley Wickham for creating ggplot2. The > following is intended to be a warning that, if the apparently > superficial problems described are not sorted out, R could well find > itself being superceded. The reason is that a new user wants to draw a > graph, and perhaps publish in a scientific journal a graph created > using R, well before wanting to do a complex regression (and the > latter is relatively easy). So here goes: > > 1) The saga of the straight line. I implemented a geom_abline - it > looked superb. Unfortunately I had to disable clip to allow text - now > my abline looked ridiculous. My search found plotrix: ablineclip - > fantastic I thought - but it applies to plot and not geom_plot. I > switched to geom_segment - the rendering looked trash. I switched to > geom_smooth - should work but as I don't know the x values beforehand > I'll have to clip a new dataframe - it that a hassle ? - Yes it is ! > > So my general question is - why isn't ggplot2 already part > of R base - or at least if someone is to create useful packages for > plot - perhaps a subtle hint could be made that they should also apply > to ggplot2 (and perhaps to lattice ?? - also personally I would scrap > qplot as an unnecessary distraction which is not easier to implement > than ggplot). In general duplication of packages for plot and ggplot > doesn't seem like a good idea. > > > 2) The saga of the italic letter. I found, to my dismay, that to > insert an italic letter into my plot I had to learn a whole new > language called plotmath - which wouldn't accept normal R coding, and > didn't even have normal control functions such as /n for a new line. > This is ridiculous (and I'm not sure how plotmath managed to get into > R base). > > So my question is, when is plotmath going to have a > complete overhaul to allow eg. "," instead of, or as well as, ~,~, and > normal control functions such as \n ? > > 3) A related question to (2) is: where is geom_textbox ? > > 4) Where are examples with scientific graph defaults ? (meaning a > two-axis graph which is publishable - I will post my own after this is > published in a years time, but as suggested above, while the graph > looks good the implementation of this is not pretty). > > Having said that - good luck with implementation - and many thanks for > all your hard work ! > > Yours sincerely, > > Abiologist > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.______________________________________________ R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Jeremy Clark <jeremyclarkbio at gmail.com> wrote:> Dear All, > > First of all, many thanks to all R contributors for a fantastic > program, and especially to Hadley Wickham for creating ggplot2. The > following is intended to be a warning that, if the apparently > superficial problems described are not sorted out, R could well find > itself being superceded.In my opinion that can and should happen, but my prediction is that R has such a big lead in terms of available functionality and packages that no one will catch up for at least a decade. The reason is that a new user wants to draw a> graph, and perhaps publish in a scientific journal a graph created > using R, well before wanting to do a complex regression (and the > latter is relatively easy). So here goes: > > 1) The saga of the straight line. I implemented a geom_abline - it > looked superb. Unfortunately I had to disable clip to allow text - now > my abline looked ridiculous. My search found plotrix: ablineclip - > fantastic I thought - but it applies to plot and not geom_plot. I > switched to geom_segment - the rendering looked trash. I switched to > geom_smooth - should work but as I don't know the x values beforehand > I'll have to clip a new dataframe - it that a hassle ? - Yes it is !As others have mentioned we can probably help you if you give us a reproducible example and a clear description of what you are trying to accomplish. Absent that this just sounds like complaining for the sake of it.> > So my general question is - why isn't ggplot2 already part > of R baseI think packages are added to the base distribution relatively infrequently these days. Is install.packages("ggplot2") really an issue? - or at least if someone is to create useful packages for> plot - perhaps a subtle hint could be made that they should also apply > to ggplot2 (and perhaps to lattice ??I'm not understanding what you are trying to say here. - also personally I would scrap> qplot as an unnecessary distraction which is not easier to implement > than ggplot).ggplot2 is in maintenance mode, so it is unlikely that major changes like that will be introduced. In general duplication of packages for plot and ggplot> doesn't seem like a good idea.I'm not sure what kind of duplication you are referring to here, though in general I also wish there was less duplicated functionality spread across various R packages.> > > 2) The saga of the italic letter. I found, to my dismay, that to > insert an italic letter into my plot I had to learn a whole new > language called plotmath - which wouldn't accept normal R coding, and > didn't even have normal control functions such as /n for a new line. > This is ridiculous (and I'm not sure how plotmath managed to get into > R base).library(ggplot2) d1 <- data.frame(x = 1, y = 1, t = "some text") d2 <- d1 d2$x <- 2 ggplot(d1, aes(x = x, y = y, label = t)) + geom_text(hjust = 0, size = 10) + geom_text(data=d2, fontface="italic", hjust=1, size = 10) Works for me.> > So my question is, when is plotmath going to have a > complete overhaul to allow eg. "," instead of, or as well as, ~,~, and > normal control functions such as \n ?Probably never (though you could do it yourself if you think it is worth spending the time to improve it).> > 3) A related question to (2) is: where is geom_textbox ?I don't think there is one. You could make one following the documentation at https://github.com/hadley/ggplot2/wiki/Creating-a-new-geom> > 4) Where are examples with scientific graph defaults ? (meaning a > two-axis graph which is publishable - I will post my own after this is > published in a years time, but as suggested above, while the graph > looks good the implementation of this is not pretty).Lot's of people publish ggplot2 graphs, standards differ from field to field and from journal to journal. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14238124760782644329&as_sdt=40000005&sciodt=0,22&hl=en will give you some examples. Beyond that I think you'll have to be more specific about what exactly you want the graphs to look like.> > Having said that - good luck with implementation - and many thanks for > all your hard work ! > > Yours sincerely, > > Abiologist > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.