Looking at the faq on steamcast, it sais they list mounts on shoutcast.com Why cant icecast? regards -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces@xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces@xiph.org] On Behalf Of oddsock Sent: 15 July 2005 7:24 PM To: icecast@xiph.org Subject: Re: [Icecast] Shoutcast YP/WinAmp Directory Listing Nope. http://forum.icecast.org/viewtopic.php?t=46 you can, however, use my MediaLibrary plugin to view the Icecast directory in winamp. http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml_icecastlist oddsock At 01:15 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:>Hi; >Is it possible for an Icecast stream to get listed in the Shoutcast YPand>WinAmp? If so, what's the correct syntax for the directory entry? > >Thanks, >Fred >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast@xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast_______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast@xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast Ricardo Meechan IT Administrator Mobile: +44 (0) 7966 484 371 Wilson & Garden LTD t: +44 (0) 1236 823291 f: +44 (0) 1236 825683 Company registered in Scotland SC267457 NOTE: All emails to and from Wilson & Garden are protected by Antivirus and spam filters. We use Trend Scanmail for AV and spamhaus.org & spamcop.net for spam filtering. This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.
From a technical standpoint, we could make this happen, however : 1. the Shoutcast listing protocol is completely different from the Icecast one, and so we'd have to code it and maintain it. 2. (more importantly) Shoutcast has, in the past, banned all non-shoutcast stations (and yes, even specifically icecast stations) from their directory. They've explicitly stated they don't want icecast stations in their directory, so we respect that and do not try to subvert the process. Their rationale ? They say that listener counts are too easily faked (certainly true) and thus they cannot rely on the listener counts being correct. It's kind of an empty argument since it's fairly trivial to fake the shoutcast listener counts too..but hey, who am I to judge :) Why can Steamcast list on shoutcast ? Who knows.. I think Jay reads this list, perhaps he can chime in.... oddsock At 01:45 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:>Looking at the faq on steamcast, it sais they list mounts on >shoutcast.com >Why cant icecast? > >regards > >-----Original Message----- >From: icecast-bounces@xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces@xiph.org] On >Behalf Of oddsock >Sent: 15 July 2005 7:24 PM >To: icecast@xiph.org >Subject: Re: [Icecast] Shoutcast YP/WinAmp Directory Listing > >Nope. >http://forum.icecast.org/viewtopic.php?t=46 > >you can, however, use my MediaLibrary plugin to view the Icecast >directory in winamp. http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml_icecastlist > > >oddsock >At 01:15 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote: > >Hi; > >Is it possible for an Icecast stream to get listed in the Shoutcast YP >and > >WinAmp? If so, what's the correct syntax for the directory entry? > > > >Thanks, > >Fred > >_______________________________________________ > >Icecast mailing list > >Icecast@xiph.org > >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast@xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > >Ricardo Meechan >IT Administrator >Mobile: +44 (0) 7966 484 371 > >Wilson & Garden LTD >t: +44 (0) 1236 823291 >f: +44 (0) 1236 825683 > > >Company registered in Scotland SC267457 > >NOTE: All emails to and from Wilson & Garden are protected by Antivirus >and spam filters. >We use Trend Scanmail for AV and spamhaus.org & spamcop.net for spam >filtering. > >This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of >the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a >trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby >notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, >or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have >received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying >to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and >from us may be monitored. > >Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as >information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late >or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept >responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this >message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail >transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy >version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author >and do not necessarily represent those of the company. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast@xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
Can you provide a link for this faq, I don't see it in the one I'm looking at: "Looking at the faq on steamcast, it sais they list mounts on shoutcast.com Why cant icecast? " Thanks, Fred -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces@xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces@xiph.org] On Behalf Of Ricardo Meechan Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:45 PM To: icecast@xiph.org Subject: RE: [Icecast] Shoutcast YP/WinAmp Directory Listing Looking at the faq on steamcast, it sais they list mounts on shoutcast.com Why cant icecast? regards -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces@xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces@xiph.org] On Behalf Of oddsock Sent: 15 July 2005 7:24 PM To: icecast@xiph.org Subject: Re: [Icecast] Shoutcast YP/WinAmp Directory Listing Nope. http://forum.icecast.org/viewtopic.php?t=46 you can, however, use my MediaLibrary plugin to view the Icecast directory in winamp. http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml_icecastlist oddsock At 01:15 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:>Hi; >Is it possible for an Icecast stream to get listed in the Shoutcast YPand>WinAmp? If so, what's the correct syntax for the directory entry? > >Thanks, >Fred >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast@xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast_______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast@xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast Ricardo Meechan IT Administrator Mobile: +44 (0) 7966 484 371 Wilson & Garden LTD t: +44 (0) 1236 823291 f: +44 (0) 1236 825683 Company registered in Scotland SC267457 NOTE: All emails to and from Wilson & Garden are protected by Antivirus and spam filters. We use Trend Scanmail for AV and spamhaus.org & spamcop.net for spam filtering. This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast@xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>Why can Steamcast list on shoutcast ? Who knows.. I think Jay readsthis>list, perhaps he can chime in....Yea, the logic that oddsock presents is what was presented to me. SHOUTcast decided this route because you could easily interpret the transactions necessary to list due to the open source nature and easily manipulate listener counts to gain high visibility in the directory. SHOUTcast put stumbling blocks in the way but it isn't really that hard to bypass, although I wouldn't suggest doing it in Icecast unless you understand the full gammet of their restrictions and rules. Their are also several requirements a server must follow to be listed at shoutcast.com which at the time Icecast didn't support. They ultimately have control over what gets published in their directory so if they don't want others there they can easily take steps to block them. There are many alternative directories to choose from www.steamcast.com is my version of Icecast2's YP protocal which I hope to release soon so that others can run their own directory if they wish. Jay -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces@xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces@xiph.org] On Behalf Of oddsock Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:17 PM To: icecast@xiph.org Subject: RE: [Icecast] Shoutcast YP/WinAmp Directory Listing From a technical standpoint, we could make this happen, however : 1. the Shoutcast listing protocol is completely different from the Icecast one, and so we'd have to code it and maintain it. 2. (more importantly) Shoutcast has, in the past, banned all non-shoutcast stations (and yes, even specifically icecast stations) from their directory. They've explicitly stated they don't want icecast stations in their directory, so we respect that and do not try to subvert the process. Their rationale ? They say that listener counts are too easily faked (certainly true) and thus they cannot rely on the listener counts being correct. It's kind of an empty argument since it's fairly trivial to fake the shoutcast listener counts too..but hey, who am I to judge :) Why can Steamcast list on shoutcast ? Who knows.. I think Jay reads this list, perhaps he can chime in.... oddsock At 01:45 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:>Looking at the faq on steamcast, it sais they list mounts on >shoutcast.com >Why cant icecast? > >regards > >-----Original Message----- >From: icecast-bounces@xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces@xiph.org] On >Behalf Of oddsock >Sent: 15 July 2005 7:24 PM >To: icecast@xiph.org >Subject: Re: [Icecast] Shoutcast YP/WinAmp Directory Listing > >Nope. >http://forum.icecast.org/viewtopic.php?t=46 > >you can, however, use my MediaLibrary plugin to view the Icecast >directory in winamp. http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml_icecastlist > > >oddsock >At 01:15 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote: > >Hi; > >Is it possible for an Icecast stream to get listed in the ShoutcastYP>and > >WinAmp? If so, what's the correct syntax for the directory entry? > > > >Thanks, > >Fred > >_______________________________________________ > >Icecast mailing list > >Icecast@xiph.org > >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast@xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > >Ricardo Meechan >IT Administrator >Mobile: +44 (0) 7966 484 371 > >Wilson & Garden LTD >t: +44 (0) 1236 823291 >f: +44 (0) 1236 825683 > > >Company registered in Scotland SC267457 > >NOTE: All emails to and from Wilson & Garden are protected by Antivirus>and spam filters. >We use Trend Scanmail for AV and spamhaus.org & spamcop.net for spam >filtering. > >This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of>the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a>trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby >notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of thismessage,>or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If youhave>received this message in error, please notify us immediately byreplying>to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and>from us may be monitored. > >Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-freeas>information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrivelate>or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept >responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this >message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail >transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy >version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author>and do not necessarily represent those of the company. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast@xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast_______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast@xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast