Icecast - Aug 2004 - Preventin browsers / wget's / ... from capturing stream?

Hi,

I know this has been discussed before - but I don't think that we've 
come to a "clean" solution. So let me try to ask again:

Is there any good way with icecast to prevent browsers / wget's / ... 
from capturing a stream? I mean, using Shoutcast afaik it's not 
*that* easily possible to download a stream. But using Icecast you 
can simply do a wget and grab the audio. This makes mp3-streaming 
with icecast a "risky" thing in my eyes since clients might always 
say "well, then I could as well put my music for download on a 
website". I know there are always ways around it, but avoiding 
downloading for the average user would at least be good. Has anybody 
experimented with this?

The most clean solution in my eyes would be to implement mms:// or 
rtp:// for mp3/ogg-streams in Icecast2 ... however, I guess just 
nobody yet started working on it - or is it really that hard to 
implement?

Anyway - I'm also looking for a good solution (similar to the one of 
Shoutcast, maybe) for plain http-streaming. Is it possible somehow?

<p>Regards,
 Stefan
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On Monday 01 March 2004 23:42, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know this has been discussed before - but I don't think that
we've
> come to a "clean" solution. So let me try to ask again:
>
> Is there any good way with icecast to prevent browsers / wget's / ...
> from capturing a stream? I mean, using Shoutcast afaik it's not
> *that* easily possible to download a stream. But using Icecast you
> can simply do a wget and grab the audio. This makes mp3-streaming
> with icecast a "risky" thing in my eyes since clients might
always
> say "well, then I could as well put my music for download on a
> website". I know there are always ways around it, but avoiding
> downloading for the average user would at least be good. Has anybody
> experimented with this?
Shoutcast just does user-agent sniffing. This makes it look like you can't 
download the stream easily, but that's just misleading you - it's
completely
trivial to do so.
>
> The most clean solution in my eyes would be to implement mms:// or
> rtp:// for mp3/ogg-streams in Icecast2 ... however, I guess just
> nobody yet started working on it - or is it really that hard to
> implement?
It's far from trivial to implement. This would be a very large amount of
work.
>
> Anyway - I'm also looking for a good solution (similar to the one of
> Shoutcast, maybe) for plain http-streaming. Is it possible somehow?
>
Well, you could add nasty user-agent sniffing, but it's pretty pointless.

Mike

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On Tuesday 02 March 2004 02:23, Michael Smith wrote:
> Shoutcast just does user-agent sniffing. This makes it look like you
can't
> download the stream easily, but that's just misleading you - it's
> completely trivial to do so.
Yes , i'd say the same .
> > The most clean solution in my eyes would be to implement mms:// or
> > rtp:// for mp3/ogg-streams in Icecast2 ... however, I guess just
> > nobody yet started working on it - or is it really that hard to
> > implement?
Though you could implement it , someone will always be able to "rip"
your
stream .
I have a friend that runs Windows and he found a software that just record 
what is played by the soundcard, so that he just needs to turn off all the 
system sounds and can quietly record the stream, whatever is the protocol ...
> It's far from trivial to implement. This would be a very large amount
of
> work.
Useless , no worth amount of work ...
:-)
> > Anyway - I'm also looking for a good solution (similar to the one
of
> > Shoutcast, maybe) for plain http-streaming. Is it possible somehow?
> Well, you could add nasty user-agent sniffing, but it's pretty
pointless.
treamripper can identify itself as any user-agent you want ... 


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