gtgbr@gmx.net wrote:> Well, the way I see it, icecast.org is some zombie webserver that nobody > really has access to any more, or other really time intense steps haveWith all due respect, this is ridiculous. You're saying that the site icecast.org, which was the home page for icecast 1.x for serveral years, is a 'zombie webserver' that has nothing to say about icecast, be it past or future versions? I mean: what site would talk about a project called icecast then?> to be taken to do something. Since there's no nearly current note on > icecast.org about anything, I suppose putting that little note up would > equal the complete fixing of icecast.org. It's a matter of time that can > only be spent by 1-2 people or so (iirc), and they don't have it. This > is an unfortunate situation, but it has nothing to do with "secrecy" or > any other bad intentions, I'm really sure about that.I guess the time spent writing this e-mail would have been more than enough to complete the task mentioned here.> Icecast, as the world knows it, *is* dead. Icecast2 is a new, > independent program, as Mike already pointed out.Hm, and where can I find out about it? (Back to square one here.)> Uhmm well, that's what CVS access and Mike's alpha1 release is for. > Sure, it's annoying not to have a prominent place for those tarballs... > anyways, literate people can already figure out that there's something > like Icecast2 by using Google (e.g. by searching for "streaming ogg > vorbis", w/o quotes). Results include CVS checkout and installationI just can't find it a rational move to positively hide a project like icecast2 from the general public. And sorry, no sane administrator will deploy a server that has no official release version, only an alpha in a CVS. (This makes me insane, BTW.) Why alienate people from icecast in general, and make them chose other solutions? <p>Akos --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Akos Maroy wrote:> With all due respect, this is ridiculous. You're saying that the site > icecast.org, which was the home page for icecast 1.x for serveral years, > is a 'zombie webserver' that has nothing to say about icecast, be it > past or future versions? I mean: what site would talk about a project > called icecast then?icecast.org will, eventually, when those who can do it get to make the complete overhaul. It'll then be like vorbis.com, speex.org, etc. I.e. that's what I heard. I suppose if all that would be easier/less time intense, it'd have been done by now.> I guess the time spent writing this e-mail would have been more than > enough to complete the task mentioned here.I don't think any of us can judge that objectively. I don't know what the exact issue is, and I too can only speculate. If I were one of those, who (shall) care for icecast.org, I'd also consider setting up a temporary site on a different server a waste of time. I honestly don't understand why anybody here is complaining for not getting something for free in a certain manner. You *can* get Icecast2, anything else simply doesn't matter... YOU know where to get it, so what's the big deal? It's done when it's done. If you're unhappy with the current situation, do something yourself - but don't tell others what they should do. It's their server, their project. Heck, they could shut down all download servers and sell their free software on CDs. This might not be viable, but entirely legitimate and up to them. <p>Moritz --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Dear list, I agree with the main points that have been stated here lately -- icecast2 appears not ready for prime time (because of lack of web presence / tarball and rpm downloads / some documentation on line) and icecast1 community needs a support forum if this list no longer is one. It would be so simple to spell out the statuses on www.icecast.org -- Status of icecast1, status of Apple's Darwin, status of icecast2. Without some authoritative word I am afraid these speculative arguments can only escalate and / or the use of icecast be adversely affected. +------------------------- + Dave Dennis + Seattle, WA + dmd@speakeasy.org + http://www.bauhaus.nu/dion +------------------------- <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.