Swfdec - May 2008 - [Bug 15897] New: Provide an option to auto-play specific files

http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15897

           Summary: Provide an option to auto-play specific files
           Product: swfdec
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: medium
         Component: plugin
        AssignedTo: swfdec at lists.freedesktop.org
        ReportedBy: 0w798vyqm3hfj25 at temporaryinbox.com
         QAContact: swfdec at lists.freedesktop.org


I think there should be a checkbox "[ ] Automatically start playing this
Flash
from now on" somewhere around the "Play" button that initially
appears.

Accessible from the right click menu or among settings there could be a list of
these files that are set to auto-play with option to Add/Remove.

Should be URL-based, probably disregarding http:/https: and the initial www.


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Benjamin Otte <otte at gnome.org> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED




--- Comment #1 from Benjamin Otte <otte at gnome.org>  2008-05-09 15:36:15
PST ---
This is fixed in git already. If you care about what the feature does (as
opposed to how it is implemented), see
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/swfdec/2008-April/001438.html


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z0z0tuss <0w798vyqm3hfj25 at temporaryinbox.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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                 CC|                            |grfgguvf+xorgbz at gmail.com
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|FIXED                       |
            Summary|Provide an option to auto-  |Auto-play every file
                   |play specific files         |(autoplay, auto-start,
                   |                            |autostart)




--- Comment #2 from z0z0tuss <0w798vyqm3hfj25 at temporaryinbox.com> 
2008-06-19 10:43:42 PST ---
Consider this usage scenario:
1) User loads unfamiliar page
2) It contains some flash
3) User wants to load the flash that is used for navigation
4) ...but... What he clicks on is an ad
5) From now on all ads from that ad broker will auto-play

I now think swfdec should just behave like the official Flash player. Blocking
ads is better done already by browsers or their extensions.


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--- Comment #3 from Benjamin Otte <otte at gnome.org>  2008-06-19 11:55:48
PST ---
This is a valid complaint, but there's two things to keep in mind:
1) right-click => uncheck "playing" will not just stop the current
ad, but
disable autoplay, too. So just stop the ad and the broker will not autoplay
again.
2) Extensions don't work for the average use. Lots of people do not know
about
extension or don't install any. So as long as ad-blocking is not enabled by
a
default-install, swfdec doing it is a feature. (Plus, Flashblock doesn't
work
very well.)


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--- Comment #4 from z0z0tuss <grfgguvf+xorgbz2 at gmail.com>  2008-06-19
15:21:11 PST ---
Flashblock isn't good, but Adblock Plus is, and I think there are more
people
using it currently than the number of swfdec users. And with such an
ad-blocker, every flash that is allowed will be useful content so at least in
this case I think all should auto-play (IF there is a way to detect Adblock
that sites could not fake). Unfortunately major browsers will never include ad
blockers that block ads by default. Also if swfdec becomes widely used ads
could be placed on the same server as useful flash and then a more
sophisticated mechanism would be needed essentially what adblock does already.


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Riccardo Magliocchetti <riccardo at datahost.it> changed:

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                 CC|                            |n4fwd at yahoo.com




--- Comment #5 from Riccardo Magliocchetti <riccardo at datahost.it> 
2008-07-03 15:33:50 PST ---
*** Bug 16605 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***


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--- Comment #6 from z0z0tuss <grfgguvf+xorgbz2 at gmail.com>  2008-07-08
16:36:23 PST ---
Just a note: The in-browser version of Google Talk relies on flash for sound
recording&playback, but the plugin is not shown visually.

So there is no way to enable it currently.


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--- Comment #7 from Pekka Lampila <pekka.lampila at iki.fi>  2008-08-16
10:46:55 PST ---
Current git (373931a2f30088951659d3fb011ef9e6a09e9a36) now has a setting to
pick whether to always autoplay, never autoplay or remember the setting based
on the host. This setting can be found from the context menu.


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Alexander van Loon <svloon at xs4all.nl> changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Alexander van Loon <svloon at xs4all.nl>  2008-08-24
04:22:29 PST ---
After Adobe Flash was causing Firefox 3.0.1 to crash left and right I decided
to switch to swfdec like undoubtedly many others. But the default behaviour of
swfdec is annoying me like no tomorrow, so I'd like to voice my concerns
here
as well.

My proposal is similar to z0z0tuss proposal, that swfdec should automatically
play everything. That's the default behaviour of Adobe Flash, and that's
what
casual users expect, I observed that as soon as they saw a grey background with
a play button they think that Flash is broken. The current situation is a very
poor choice, the small minority who wants to block certain Flash content or
doesn't want autoplay could just use the functionality in the web browser or
it's extensions to achieve that, right?

In response to your second argument Benjamin Otte, maybe the fact that many
people don't know about extensions or don't use them means that Flash
ads
aren't annoying enough to motivate them to think about methods to prevent
them
from showing. In other words, it's probably not an issue for most people.
Casual users for whom I install Ubuntu have never asked me for methods to block
ads. And the end doesn't justify the means, "breaking" Flash by
not autoplaying
by default will annoy and confuse users far more than a few ads here and there. 

Could the swfdec developers please do a new unstable release soon, because
I'd
really appreciate the fix in Git which gives an option for autoplaying always.
Now I'm constantly clicking on play buttons for Flash content, which is
annoying like no tomorrow.

Besides my voicing my concerns, I'd like to thank the swfdec developers.
Finally we can switch to 64-bit without having to worry about Flash, and
we're
not dependent on the bug-ridden Adobe Flash anymore. You guys are awesome for
reverse engineering Flash, it puts Adobe to shame. Thank you so very much guys.


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Riccardo Magliocchetti <riccardo at datahost.it> changed:

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             Status|REOPENED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED




--- Comment #9 from Riccardo Magliocchetti <riccardo at datahost.it> 
2008-09-08 05:21:06 PST ---
Please give 0.8.0 a try and reopen if it is the case.


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