libvirt users - Jul 2020 - Re: Could you please help with questions about the net failover feature

Hi Laine,

For the feature testing before, I only test the linux bridge setting as in
2), it works.
Now I tried 1), to use macvtap bridge mode connected to the PF, it can not
work as the hostdev interface can not get dhcp ip address on the guest.
Check on host, the /var/log/messages and dmesg both says:

"Jul  6 04:54:45 dell-per730-xx kernel: ixgbe 0000:82:00.1 enp130s0f1: 1
Spoofed packets detected
......
Jul  6 04:56:17 dell-per730-xx kernel: ixgbe 0000:82:00.1 enp130s0f1: 1
Spoofed packets detected
Jul  6 04:56:54 dell-per730-xx kernel: ixgbe 0000:82:00.1 enp130s0f1: 1
Spoofed packets detected
"
(enp130s0f1 is the PF's interface name, and 0000:82:00.1 is the PF's pci
address)
# rpm -q kernel
kernel-4.18.0-193.4.1.el8_2.x86_64

Could you please help to confirm if this is a kernel bug?  Thank you very
much!



You have two choices for the backup virtio interface:

1) it can be a macvtap device connected to the PF of the same SRIOV device.

2) it can be a standard tap device connected to a Linux host bridge
(created outside libvirt in the host system network config) that is
attached to the PF (or alternately one of the VFs that isn't being used
for VMs, or to another physical ethernet adapter on the host that is
connected to the same network.




-------
Best Regards,
Yalan Zhang
IRC: yalzhang


On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:50 AM Laine Stump <laine@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 3/21/20 1:08 AM, Yalan Zhang wrote:
>
> > In my understanding, the standby and primary hostdev interface may be
in
> > different subnet.
>
> There is only one hostdev device in the team pair (that will be the one
> with <teaming type='transient'.../> since it needs to be
unplugged
> during migration). The other device must be a virtio device (the one
> with <teaming type='persistent'/>). And no, they cannot be on
different
> subnets. They must both connect into the same ethernet "collision
> domain", such that the guest could assign the same IP address to
either
> of them and be able to communicate on the network.
>
> There is some explanation of the use case for this option. and some
> example config, here:
>
>      https://www.libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsTeaming
>
> > I'm not sure whether it is correct. Could you please help to
explain?
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > For example, primary hostdev is connected to vf-pool with
<pf='eth0'/>,
> > while the standby is connected to NAT network with " forward
dev='eth0'".
> > The standby interface will get ip as 192.168.122.x, but after NAT, it
> > will be in the same subnet of the vf.
>  >
> > So after the VF is unplugged, the packet will still broadcast in the
> > same subnet, and the vm will get the packet as the standby share the
> > same mac. Right?
>
> No, not right :-)
>
> The VF of an SRIOV network adapter is connected directly to the physical
> network, and will have an IP address that is on that network. Tap
> devices plugged into the default network (or any other libvirt network
> based on a bridge device that is created/managed by libvirt) have no
> direct connection to the physical network, and are on a different
> subnet. The fact that traffic from the guest *seems* to be coming from
> an IP on the physical subnet is meaningless. The *guest* needs to be
> able to use both NICs using the same IP address, and anything plugged
> into the default network will need to have an IP address on a different
> subnet from the perspective of the guest.
>
> You have two choices for the backup virtio interface:
>
> 1) it can be a macvtap device connected to the PF of the same SRIOV device.
>
> 2) it can be a standard tap device connected to a Linux host bridge
> (created outside libvirt in the host system network config) that is
> attached to the PF (or alternately one of the VFs that isn't being used
> for VMs, or to another physical ethernet adapter on the host that is
> connected to the same network.
>
>
> It is simplest to have the same name refer to the connection on the
> source and destination hosts of a migration. That can be handled by
> creating a libvirt network to refer to the bridge device created outside
> libvirt (or to the PF directly if you're going to use macvtap.
>
> For example, if you're going to use macvtap, and the PF's name on
the
> host is ens4f0, you'd just create this network:
>
>    <network>
>      <name>persistent-net</name>
>      <forward mode='bridge'>
>        <interface dev='ens4f0'/>
>      </forward>
>     <network>
>
> any guest interface with this:
>
>       <interface type='network'>
>         <source network='persistent-net'/>
>         <mac address='00:11:22:33:44:55'/>
>         <model type='virtio'/>
>         <teaming type='persistent'/>
>         <alias name='ua-backup0'/>
>       </interface>
>
> will get a macvtap device that's connected to ens4f0 in bridge mode.
>
> Or, if your host has a bridge device called br0 that is directly
> attached to the physical network (in whatever manner, it doesn't
> matter), you can define the network this way:
>
>    <network>
>      <name>persistent-net</name>
>      <bridge name='br0'/>
>      <forward mode='bridge'/>
>     <network>
>
> The XML for the guest interface would be the same.
>
> Then for the vfio (transient) interface, you could also define a network:
>
>     <network>
>       <name>transient-net</name>
>       <forward mode='hostdev'>
>         <pf dev='ens4f0'/>
>       </forward>
>     </network>
>
> and instead of using <interface type='hostdev'> in the guest
config, you
> would use this:
>
>
>      <interface type='network'>
>        <source network='transient-net'/>
>        <model type='virtio'/>    [1]
>        <mac address='00:11:22:33:44:55'/>
>        <teaming type='transient'
persistent='ua-backup0'/>
>     </interface>
>
> Even if the device names change on the other host (the destination of
> the migration), as long as the other host has networks named
> "persistent-net" and "transient-net" that are of
similar types (macvtap
> or bridged for persistent-net, and hostdev for transient-net) then
> libvirt will be able to migrate the guest from one host to the other
> with no mangling of the XML required.
>
>
>

On 7/6/20 5:10 AM, Yalan Zhang wrote:
> 
> Hi Laine,
> 
> For the feature testing before, I only test the linux bridge setting as 
> in 2), it works.
> Now I tried 1), to use macvtap bridge mode connected to the PF, it can 
> not work as the hostdev interface can not get dhcp ip address on the guest.
> Check on host, the /var/log/messages and dmesg both says:
> 
> "Jul  6 04:54:45 dell-per730-xx kernel: ixgbe 0000:82:00.1 enp130s0f1:
1
> Spoofed packets detected
> ......
> Jul  6 04:56:17 dell-per730-xx kernel: ixgbe 0000:82:00.1 enp130s0f1: 1 
> Spoofed packets detected
> Jul  6 04:56:54 dell-per730-xx kernel: ixgbe 0000:82:00.1 enp130s0f1: 1 
> Spoofed packets detected
> "
> (enp130s0f1 is the PF's interface name, and 0000:82:00.1 is the
PF's pci
> address)
> # rpm -q kernel
> kernel-4.18.0-193.4.1.el8_2.x86_64
> 
> Could you please help to confirm if this is a kernel bug?  Thank you 
> very much!
Interesting. I'm not sure if this is expected behavior, or if it's 
improper behavior and it just hasn't been tested before (obviously based 
on my earlier recommendation, I think it *should* be able to work like 
this, and I *thought* I had tried it, but maybe I just imagined it :-/).

I'm Cc'ing Stefan Assmann to see if he has an opinion on whether or not 
this should work. For his convenience, here is a summary of the config: 
The setup is that there is a bridge-mode macvtap interface on the PF, 
and one of the VF's has been given the same MAC address as the macvtap. 
the macvtap interface is connected to an emulated NIC in the guest, and 
the VF is assigned to the guest with VFIO.

I'll try this today on my setup, which uses I350 cards (igb driver).

> 
> 
> 
> You have two choices for the backup virtio interface:
> 
> 1) it can be a macvtap device connected to the PF of the same SRIOV device.
> 
> 2) it can be a standard tap device connected to a Linux host bridge
> (created outside libvirt in the host system network config) that is
> attached to the PF (or alternately one of the VFs that isn't being used
> for VMs, or to another physical ethernet adapter on the host that is
> connected to the same network.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------
> Best Regards,
> Yalan Zhang
> IRC: yalzhang
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:50 AM Laine Stump <laine@redhat.com 
> <mailto:laine@redhat.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On 3/21/20 1:08 AM, Yalan Zhang wrote:
> 
>      > In my understanding, the standby and primary hostdev interface
>     may be in
>      > different subnet.
> 
>     There is only one hostdev device in the team pair (that will be the one
>     with <teaming type='transient'.../> since it needs to be
unplugged
>     during migration). The other device must be a virtio device (the one
>     with <teaming type='persistent'/>). And no, they cannot
be on different
>     subnets. They must both connect into the same ethernet "collision
>     domain", such that the guest could assign the same IP address to
either
>     of them and be able to communicate on the network.
> 
>     There is some explanation of the use case for this option. and some
>     example config, here:
> 
>     https://www.libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsTeaming
> 
>      > I'm not sure whether it is correct. Could you please help to
>     explain?
>      > Thank you in advance.
>      >
>      > For example, primary hostdev is connected to vf-pool with
>     <pf='eth0'/>,
>      > while the standby is connected to NAT network with " forward
>     dev='eth0'".
>      > The standby interface will get ip as 192.168.122.x, but after
>     NAT, it
>      > will be in the same subnet of the vf.
>       >
>      > So after the VF is unplugged, the packet will still broadcast in
the
>      > same subnet, and the vm will get the packet as the standby share
the
>      > same mac. Right?
> 
>     No, not right :-)
> 
>     The VF of an SRIOV network adapter is connected directly to the
>     physical
>     network, and will have an IP address that is on that network. Tap
>     devices plugged into the default network (or any other libvirt network
>     based on a bridge device that is created/managed by libvirt) have no
>     direct connection to the physical network, and are on a different
>     subnet. The fact that traffic from the guest *seems* to be coming from
>     an IP on the physical subnet is meaningless. The *guest* needs to be
>     able to use both NICs using the same IP address, and anything plugged
>     into the default network will need to have an IP address on a different
>     subnet from the perspective of the guest.
> 
>     You have two choices for the backup virtio interface:
> 
>     1) it can be a macvtap device connected to the PF of the same SRIOV
>     device.
> 
>     2) it can be a standard tap device connected to a Linux host bridge
>     (created outside libvirt in the host system network config) that is
>     attached to the PF (or alternately one of the VFs that isn't being
used
>     for VMs, or to another physical ethernet adapter on the host that is
>     connected to the same network.
> 
> 
>     It is simplest to have the same name refer to the connection on the
>     source and destination hosts of a migration. That can be handled by
>     creating a libvirt network to refer to the bridge device created
>     outside
>     libvirt (or to the PF directly if you're going to use macvtap.
> 
>     For example, if you're going to use macvtap, and the PF's name
on the
>     host is ens4f0, you'd just create this network:
> 
>         <network>
>           <name>persistent-net</name>
>           <forward mode='bridge'>
>             <interface dev='ens4f0'/>
>           </forward>
>          <network>
> 
>     any guest interface with this:
> 
>            <interface type='network'>
>              <source network='persistent-net'/>
>              <mac address='00:11:22:33:44:55'/>
>              <model type='virtio'/>
>              <teaming type='persistent'/>
>              <alias name='ua-backup0'/>
>            </interface>
> 
>     will get a macvtap device that's connected to ens4f0 in bridge
mode.
> 
>     Or, if your host has a bridge device called br0 that is directly
>     attached to the physical network (in whatever manner, it doesn't
>     matter), you can define the network this way:
> 
>         <network>
>           <name>persistent-net</name>
>           <bridge name='br0'/>
>           <forward mode='bridge'/>
>          <network>
> 
>     The XML for the guest interface would be the same.
> 
>     Then for the vfio (transient) interface, you could also define a
>     network:
> 
>          <network>
>            <name>transient-net</name>
>            <forward mode='hostdev'>
>              <pf dev='ens4f0'/>
>            </forward>
>          </network>
> 
>     and instead of using <interface type='hostdev'> in the
guest config,
>     you
>     would use this:
> 
> 
>           <interface type='network'>
>             <source network='transient-net'/>
>             <model type='virtio'/>    [1]
>             <mac address='00:11:22:33:44:55'/>
>             <teaming type='transient'
persistent='ua-backup0'/>
>          </interface>
> 
>     Even if the device names change on the other host (the destination of
>     the migration), as long as the other host has networks named
>     "persistent-net" and "transient-net" that are of
similar types (macvtap
>     or bridged for persistent-net, and hostdev for transient-net) then
>     libvirt will be able to migrate the guest from one host to the other
>     with no mangling of the XML required.
> 
>

On 2020-07-06 10:01, Laine Stump wrote:
> On 7/6/20 5:10 AM, Yalan Zhang wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Laine,
> > 
> > For the feature testing before, I only test the linux bridge setting
as
> > in 2), it works.
> > Now I tried 1), to use macvtap bridge mode connected to the PF, it can
> > not work as the hostdev interface can not get dhcp ip address on the
> > guest.
> > Check on host, the /var/log/messages and dmesg both says:
> > 
> > "Jul  6 04:54:45 dell-per730-xx kernel: ixgbe 0000:82:00.1
enp130s0f1: 1
> > Spoofed packets detected
> > ......
> > Jul  6 04:56:17 dell-per730-xx kernel: ixgbe 0000:82:00.1 enp130s0f1:
1
> > Spoofed packets detected
> > Jul  6 04:56:54 dell-per730-xx kernel: ixgbe 0000:82:00.1 enp130s0f1:
1
> > Spoofed packets detected
> > "
> > (enp130s0f1 is the PF's interface name, and 0000:82:00.1 is the
PF's pci
> > address)
> > # rpm -q kernel
> > kernel-4.18.0-193.4.1.el8_2.x86_64
> > 
> > Could you please help to confirm if this is a kernel bug?  Thank you
> > very much!
> 
> Interesting. I'm not sure if this is expected behavior, or if it's
improper
> behavior and it just hasn't been tested before (obviously based on my
> earlier recommendation, I think it *should* be able to work like this, and
I
> *thought* I had tried it, but maybe I just imagined it :-/).
> 
> I'm Cc'ing Stefan Assmann to see if he has an opinion on whether or
not this
> should work. For his convenience, here is a summary of the config: The
setup
> is that there is a bridge-mode macvtap interface on the PF, and one of the
> VF's has been given the same MAC address as the macvtap. the macvtap
> interface is connected to an emulated NIC in the guest, and the VF is
> assigned to the guest with VFIO.
Hi Laine,

I'm on PTO till the 20th. Ccing Ken as ixgbe maintainer.

  Stefan
> 
> I'll try this today on my setup, which uses I350 cards (igb driver).
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You have two choices for the backup virtio interface:
> > 
> > 1) it can be a macvtap device connected to the PF of the same SRIOV
device.
> > 
> > 2) it can be a standard tap device connected to a Linux host bridge
> > (created outside libvirt in the host system network config) that is
> > attached to the PF (or alternately one of the VFs that isn't being
used
> > for VMs, or to another physical ethernet adapter on the host that is
> > connected to the same network.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------
> > Best Regards,
> > Yalan Zhang
> > IRC: yalzhang
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:50 AM Laine Stump <laine@redhat.com
> > <mailto:laine@redhat.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >     On 3/21/20 1:08 AM, Yalan Zhang wrote:
> > 
> >      > In my understanding, the standby and primary hostdev
interface
> >     may be in
> >      > different subnet.
> > 
> >     There is only one hostdev device in the team pair (that will be
the one
> >     with <teaming type='transient'.../> since it needs
to be unplugged
> >     during migration). The other device must be a virtio device (the
one
> >     with <teaming type='persistent'/>). And no, they
cannot be on different
> >     subnets. They must both connect into the same ethernet
"collision
> >     domain", such that the guest could assign the same IP address
to either
> >     of them and be able to communicate on the network.
> > 
> >     There is some explanation of the use case for this option. and
some
> >     example config, here:
> > 
> >     https://www.libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsTeaming
> > 
> >      > I'm not sure whether it is correct. Could you please
help to
> >     explain?
> >      > Thank you in advance.
> >      >
> >      > For example, primary hostdev is connected to vf-pool with
> >     <pf='eth0'/>,
> >      > while the standby is connected to NAT network with "
forward
> >     dev='eth0'".
> >      > The standby interface will get ip as 192.168.122.x, but
after
> >     NAT, it
> >      > will be in the same subnet of the vf.
> >       >
> >      > So after the VF is unplugged, the packet will still
broadcast in the
> >      > same subnet, and the vm will get the packet as the standby
share the
> >      > same mac. Right?
> > 
> >     No, not right :-)
> > 
> >     The VF of an SRIOV network adapter is connected directly to the
> >     physical
> >     network, and will have an IP address that is on that network. Tap
> >     devices plugged into the default network (or any other libvirt
network
> >     based on a bridge device that is created/managed by libvirt) have
no
> >     direct connection to the physical network, and are on a different
> >     subnet. The fact that traffic from the guest *seems* to be coming
from
> >     an IP on the physical subnet is meaningless. The *guest* needs to
be
> >     able to use both NICs using the same IP address, and anything
plugged
> >     into the default network will need to have an IP address on a
different
> >     subnet from the perspective of the guest.
> > 
> >     You have two choices for the backup virtio interface:
> > 
> >     1) it can be a macvtap device connected to the PF of the same
SRIOV
> >     device.
> > 
> >     2) it can be a standard tap device connected to a Linux host
bridge
> >     (created outside libvirt in the host system network config) that
is
> >     attached to the PF (or alternately one of the VFs that isn't
being used
> >     for VMs, or to another physical ethernet adapter on the host that
is
> >     connected to the same network.
> > 
> > 
> >     It is simplest to have the same name refer to the connection on
the
> >     source and destination hosts of a migration. That can be handled
by
> >     creating a libvirt network to refer to the bridge device created
> >     outside
> >     libvirt (or to the PF directly if you're going to use macvtap.
> > 
> >     For example, if you're going to use macvtap, and the PF's
name on the
> >     host is ens4f0, you'd just create this network:
> > 
> >         <network>
> >           <name>persistent-net</name>
> >           <forward mode='bridge'>
> >             <interface dev='ens4f0'/>
> >           </forward>
> >          <network>
> > 
> >     any guest interface with this:
> > 
> >            <interface type='network'>
> >              <source network='persistent-net'/>
> >              <mac address='00:11:22:33:44:55'/>
> >              <model type='virtio'/>
> >              <teaming type='persistent'/>
> >              <alias name='ua-backup0'/>
> >            </interface>
> > 
> >     will get a macvtap device that's connected to ens4f0 in bridge
mode.
> > 
> >     Or, if your host has a bridge device called br0 that is directly
> >     attached to the physical network (in whatever manner, it
doesn't
> >     matter), you can define the network this way:
> > 
> >         <network>
> >           <name>persistent-net</name>
> >           <bridge name='br0'/>
> >           <forward mode='bridge'/>
> >          <network>
> > 
> >     The XML for the guest interface would be the same.
> > 
> >     Then for the vfio (transient) interface, you could also define a
> >     network:
> > 
> >          <network>
> >            <name>transient-net</name>
> >            <forward mode='hostdev'>
> >              <pf dev='ens4f0'/>
> >            </forward>
> >          </network>
> > 
> >     and instead of using <interface type='hostdev'> in
the guest config,
> >     you
> >     would use this:
> > 
> > 
> >           <interface type='network'>
> >             <source network='transient-net'/>
> >             <model type='virtio'/>    [1]
> >             <mac address='00:11:22:33:44:55'/>
> >             <teaming type='transient'
persistent='ua-backup0'/>
> >          </interface>
> > 
> >     Even if the device names change on the other host (the destination
of
> >     the migration), as long as the other host has networks named
> >     "persistent-net" and "transient-net" that are
of similar types (macvtap
> >     or bridged for persistent-net, and hostdev for transient-net) then
> >     libvirt will be able to migrate the guest from one host to the
other
> >     with no mangling of the XML required.
> > 
> > 
>