On Jul 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Krzysztof Parzyszek <kparzysz at codeaurora.org> wrote:> On 7/16/2013 11:38 PM, Andrew Trick wrote: >> Since introducing the new TargetTransformInfo analysis, there has been some confusion over the role of target heuristics in IR passes. A few patches have led to interesting discussions. >> >> To centralize the discussion, until we get some documentation and better APIs in place, let me throw out an oversimplified Straw Man for a new pass pipline. It serves two purposes: (1) an overdue reorganization of the pass pipeline (2) a formalization of the role of TargetTransformInfo. >> >> --- >> Canonicalization passes are designed to normalize the IR in order to expose opportunities to subsequent machine independent passes. This simplifies writing machine independent optimizations and improves the quality of the compiler. >> >> An important property of these passes is that they are repeatable. The may be invoked multiple times after inlining and should converge to a canonical form. They should not destructively transform the IR in a way that defeats subsequent analysis. >> >> Canonicalization passes can make use of data layout and are affected by ABI, but are otherwise target independent. Adding target specific hooks to these passes can defeat the purpose of canonical IR. >> >> IR Canonicalization Pipeline: >> >> Function Passes { >> SimplifyCFG >> SROA-1 >> EarlyCSE >> } >> Call-Graph SCC Passes { >> Inline >> Function Passes { >> EarlyCSE >> SimplifyCFG >> InstCombine >> Early Loop Opts { >> LoopSimplify >> Rotate (when obvious) >> Full-Unroll (when obvious) >> } >> SROA-2 >> InstCombine >> GVN >> Reassociate >> Generic Loop Opts { >> LICM (Rotate on-demand) >> Unswitch >> } >> SCCP >> InstCombine >> JumpThreading >> CorrelatedValuePropagation >> AggressiveDCE >> } >> } >> > > I'm a bit late to this, but the examples of the "generic loop opts" above are really better left until later. They have a potential to obscure the code and make other loop optimizations harder. Specifically, there has to be a place where loop nest optimizations can be done (such as loop interchange or unroll-and-jam). There is also array expansion and loop distribution, which can be highly target-dependent in terms of their applicability. I don't know if TTI could provide enough details to account for all circumstances that would motivate such transformations, but assuming that it could, there still needs to be a room left for it in the design.You mean that LICM and Unswitching should be left for later? For the purpose of exposing scalar optimizations, I'm not sure I agree with that but I'd be interested in examples. I think you're only worried about the impact on loop nest optimizations. Admittedly I'm not making much concessesion for that, because I think of loop nest optimization as a different tool that will probably want fairly substantial changes to the pass pipeline anyway. Here's a few of ways it might work: (1) Loop nest optimizer extends the standard PMB by plugging in its own passes prior to Generic Loop Opts in addition to loading TTI. The loop nest optimizer's passes are free to query TTI: (2) Loop nest optimizer suppresses generic loop opts through a PMB flag (assuming they are too disruptive). It registers its own loop passes with the Target Loop Opts. It registers instances of generic loop opts to now run after loop nest optimization, and registers new instances of scalar opts to rerun after Target Loop Opts if needed. (3) If the loop nest optimizer were part of llvm core libs, then we could have a completely separate passmanager builder for it.> On a different, but related note---one thing I've asked recently was about the "proper" solution for recognizing target specific loop idioms. On Hexagon, we have a builtin functions that handle certain specific loop patterns. In order to separate the target-dependent code from the target-independent, we would basically have to replicate the loop idiom recognition in our own target-specific pass. Not only that, but it would have to run before the loops may be subjected to other optimizations that could obfuscate the opportunity. To solve this, I was thinking about having target-specific hooks in the idiom recognition code, that could transform a given loop in the target's own way. Still, that would imply target-specific transformations running before the "official" lowering code.We may be able to run loop idiom recognition as part of Target Loop Opts. If that misses too many optimizations, then targets can add a second instance of loop-idiom in the target loop opts. Target's can also add extra instances of scalar opts passes in the lowering pipeline, if needed, to cleanup. The lowering pass order should be completely configurable. Are you afraid that LICM and unswitching will obfuscate the loops to the point that you can’t recognize the idiom? The current pass pipeline would have the same problem. -Andy
Krzysztof Parzyszek
2013-Jul-30 14:35 UTC
[LLVMdev] IR Passes and TargetTransformInfo: Straw Man
On 7/29/2013 6:28 PM, Andrew Trick wrote:> > You mean that LICM and Unswitching should be left for later? For the purpose of exposing scalar optimizations, I'm not sure I agree with that but I'd be interested in examples.Optimizations like LICM, and unswitching can potentially damage perfect nesting of loops. For example, consider this nest: for (i) { for (j) { ... = A[i]; } } The load of A[i] is invariant in the j-loop (assuming no aliased stores), and even if it was not invariant, the address computation code is. A pass of LICM could then generate something like this: for (i) { t = A[i]; for (j) { ... = t; } } This is no longer a perfect nest, and a variety of loop nest optimizations will no longer be applicable. In general, nest optimizations have a greater potential for improving code performance than scalar optimizations, and should be given priority over them. In most cases (excluding loop interchange, for example), the LICM opportunity will remain, and can be taken care of later. An example of where the target-dependent factors come into the picture before the target-specific stage (target-specific optimizations, lowering, etc.), may be loop distribution. The example below does not belong to the nest optimizations, but the generic target-independent scalar optimizations will still apply after this transformation. Say that we have a loop that performs several computations, some of which may be amenable to more aggressive optimizations: for (i) { v = 1.0/(1.0 + A[i]*A[i]); B[i] = (1.0 - B[i])*v } Suppose that we have a hardware that can perform very fast FMA operations (possibly vectorized). We could transform the loop into for (i) { t = 1.0 + A[i]*A[i]; v = 1.0/t; B[i] = (1.0 - B[i])*v; } And then expand t into an array, and distribute the loop: for (i) { t[i] = 1.0 + A[i]*A[i]; } for (i) { v = 1.0/t[i]; B[i] = (1.0 - B[i])*v; } The first loop may then be unrolled and vectorized, while the second one may simply be left alone. This may be difficult to address in a target-independent way (via a generic TTI interface), since we are trying to identify a specific pattern that, for the specific hardware, may be worth extracting out of a more complex loop. In addition to that, for this example to make sense, the vectorization passes would have to run afterwards, which would then put a bound on how late this transformation could be done. I guess the approach of being able to extend/modify what the PMB creates, that you mention below, would address this problem.> I think you're only worried about the impact on loop nest optimizations. Admittedly I'm not making much concessesion for that, because I think of loop nest optimization as a different tool that will probably want fairly substantial changes to the pass pipeline anyway.Yes, I agree. My major concern is that we need to be careful that we don't accidentally make things harder for ourselves. I very much agree with the canonicalization approach, and loop nests can take a bit of preparation (even including loop distribution). At the same time, there are other optimizations that will destroy the canonical structures (of loops, loop nests, etc.), that also need to take place at some point. There should be a place in the optimization sequence, where the "destructive" optimizations have not yet taken place, and where the "constructive" (canonical) passes can be executed. The farther down the optimization stream we push the "destructive" ones, the more flexibility we will have as to what types of transformations can be done that require the code to be in a canonical form.> Here's a few of ways it might work: > (1) Loop nest optimizer extends the standard PMB by plugging in its own passes prior to Generic Loop Opts in addition to loading TTI. The loop nest optimizer's passes are free to query TTI: > > (2) Loop nest optimizer suppresses generic loop opts through a PMB flag (assuming they are too disruptive). It registers its own loop passes with the Target Loop Opts. It registers instances of generic loop opts to now run after loop nest optimization, and registers new instances of scalar opts to rerun after Target Loop Opts if needed. > > (3) If the loop nest optimizer were part of llvm core libs, then we could have a completely separate passmanager builder for it.All of these approaches would work (even concurrently). I think (3) could potentially be the future goal.> Are you afraid that LICM and unswitching will obfuscate the loops to the point that you can’t recognize the idiom? The current pass pipeline would have the same problem.Actually, in this case my concern was the interleaving of the target-dependent code with target-independent code (if we were to do all idiom recognition in the same pass), or code duplication (if the target-independent and target-dependent passes were to be separate). The more I think about it, the more I favor the "separate" approach, since the target-specific idioms may be very different for different targets, and there doesn't seem to be much that can be handled in a common code (hence not a lot of actual duplication would happen). -Krzysztof -- Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of Code Aurora Forum, hosted by The Linux Foundation
On 7/30/13 7:35 AM, Krzysztof Parzyszek wrote:> On 7/29/2013 6:28 PM, Andrew Trick wrote: >> >> You mean that LICM and Unswitching should be left for later? For the >> purpose of exposing scalar optimizations, I'm not sure I agree with >> that but I'd be interested in examples. > > Optimizations like LICM, and unswitching can potentially damage > perfect nesting of loops. For example, consider this nest: > > for (i) { > for (j) { > ... = A[i]; > } > } > > The load of A[i] is invariant in the j-loop (assuming no aliased > stores), and even if it was not invariant, the address computation > code is. A pass of LICM could then generate something like this: > > for (i) { > t = A[i]; > for (j) { > ... = t; > } > } > > This is no longer a perfect nest, and a variety of loop nest > optimizations will no longer be applicable. In general, nest > optimizations have a greater potential for improving code performance > than scalar optimizations, and should be given priority over them. In > most cases (excluding loop interchange, for example), the LICM > opportunity will remain, and can be taken care of later. >Yes, LICM will make perfect nesting become imperfect. When I define pre-ipo pass, I also take this into account as well. I think for a while, and are not able to figure out any strong reason for running or not running LICM in pre-ipo pass, or other compilation phase before LNO. The pro for running LICM early is that it may move big redundant stuff out of loop nest. You never know how big it is. In case you are lucky , you can move lot of stuff out of loop, the loop may become much smaller and hence enable lots of downstream optimizations. This sound to be a big win for control-intensive programs where Loop-nest-opt normally is a big, expensive no-op. The con side is that, as you said, the nest is not perfect any more. However, I would argue LNO optimizations should be able to tackle the cases when imperfect part is simple enough (say, no call, no control etc). (FYI, Open64's LNO is able to tackle imperfect nesting so long as imperfect part is simple). Or you just reverse the LICM, that dosen't sound hard. Similar argument for unswitching, you can run fusion to reverse the unswitching, and you certainly need this opt to transform input nest into appropriate form. While this sound bit lame for those HPC thinking folks, the majority care the performance of control intensive programs. The design have to make the later happy:-)
On Jul 30, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Krzysztof Parzyszek <kparzysz at codeaurora.org> wrote:> On 7/29/2013 6:28 PM, Andrew Trick wrote: >> >> You mean that LICM and Unswitching should be left for later? For the purpose of exposing scalar optimizations, I'm not sure I agree with that but I'd be interested in examples. > > Optimizations like LICM, and unswitching can potentially damage perfect nesting of loops. For example, consider this nest: > > for (i) { > for (j) { > ... = A[i]; > } > } > > The load of A[i] is invariant in the j-loop (assuming no aliased stores), and even if it was not invariant, the address computation code is. A pass of LICM could then generate something like this: > > for (i) { > t = A[i]; > for (j) { > ... = t; > } > } > > This is no longer a perfect nest, and a variety of loop nest optimizations will no longer be applicable. In general, nest optimizations have a greater potential for improving code performance than scalar optimizations, and should be given priority over them. In most cases (excluding loop interchange, for example), the LICM opportunity will remain, and can be taken care of later. > > > An example of where the target-dependent factors come into the picture before the target-specific stage (target-specific optimizations, lowering, etc.), may be loop distribution. The example below does not belong to the nest optimizations, but the generic target-independent scalar optimizations will still apply after this transformation. > Say that we have a loop that performs several computations, some of which may be amenable to more aggressive optimizations: > > for (i) { > v = 1.0/(1.0 + A[i]*A[i]); > B[i] = (1.0 - B[i])*v > } > > Suppose that we have a hardware that can perform very fast FMA operations (possibly vectorized). We could transform the loop into > > for (i) { > t = 1.0 + A[i]*A[i]; > v = 1.0/t; > B[i] = (1.0 - B[i])*v; > } > > And then expand t into an array, and distribute the loop: > > for (i) { > t[i] = 1.0 + A[i]*A[i]; > } > for (i) { > v = 1.0/t[i]; > B[i] = (1.0 - B[i])*v; > } > > The first loop may then be unrolled and vectorized, while the second one may simply be left alone. > > This may be difficult to address in a target-independent way (via a generic TTI interface), since we are trying to identify a specific pattern that, for the specific hardware, may be worth extracting out of a more complex loop. In addition to that, for this example to make sense, the vectorization passes would have to run afterwards, which would then put a bound on how late this transformation could be done. > > I guess the approach of being able to extend/modify what the PMB creates, that you mention below, would address this problem. > > >> I think you're only worried about the impact on loop nest optimizations. Admittedly I'm not making much concessesion for that, because I think of loop nest optimization as a different tool that will probably want fairly substantial changes to the pass pipeline anyway. > > Yes, I agree. My major concern is that we need to be careful that we don't accidentally make things harder for ourselves. I very much agree with the canonicalization approach, and loop nests can take a bit of preparation (even including loop distribution). At the same time, there are other optimizations that will destroy the canonical structures (of loops, loop nests, etc.), that also need to take place at some point. There should be a place in the optimization sequence, where the "destructive" optimizations have not yet taken place, and where the "constructive" (canonical) passes can be executed. The farther down the optimization stream we push the "destructive" ones, the more flexibility we will have as to what types of transformations can be done that require the code to be in a canonical form.Thanks Krysztof. I appreciate your input and examples. It’s difficult to balance things like Unswitching and LICM that clearly need to run early to expose scalar opts, but in some sense are destructive. I agree with Shuxin’s analysis that these transformations can be reversed if the effort is made. Those developing experimental LNO tools can use any of the mechanisms described below to work around it.>> Here's a few of ways it might work: >> (1) Loop nest optimizer extends the standard PMB by plugging in its own passes prior to Generic Loop Opts in addition to loading TTI. The loop nest optimizer's passes are free to query TTI: >> >> (2) Loop nest optimizer suppresses generic loop opts through a PMB flag (assuming they are too disruptive). It registers its own loop passes with the Target Loop Opts. It registers instances of generic loop opts to now run after loop nest optimization, and registers new instances of scalar opts to rerun after Target Loop Opts if needed. >> >> (3) If the loop nest optimizer were part of llvm core libs, then we could have a completely separate passmanager builder for it. > > All of these approaches would work (even concurrently). I think (3) could potentially be the future goal. > > >> Are you afraid that LICM and unswitching will obfuscate the loops to the point that you can’t recognize the idiom? The current pass pipeline would have the same problem. > > Actually, in this case my concern was the interleaving of the target-dependent code with target-independent code (if we were to do all idiom recognition in the same pass), or code duplication (if the target-independent and target-dependent passes were to be separate). The more I think about it, the more I favor the "separate" approach, since the target-specific idioms may be very different for different targets, and there doesn't seem to be much that can be handled in a common code (hence not a lot of actual duplication would happen).I think we may want to run some generic loop idiom recognition early (MemCpy/MemSet) because it may aid subsequent analysis. Shuxin described this as a kind of “IR promotion” which is a good way to look at it. However, targets do want to plugin custom idioms and I think those can run later, separately. To deal with pass ordering problems introduced by target-specific opts, targets should be able to rerun generic passes if it’s worth the compile time. There are a couple things we should improve to make this more practical: - The generic, canonicalization passes should be able to run in a mode that limits transformations to those that are locally profitable. We don’t want to canonicalize late and defeat earlier optimizations. - We should expose more generic optimizations as utilities that can run on-demand for a given block or loop (GVN, LICM). -Andy
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