Testing the following (uncommon) syslinux.cfg with different Syslinux versions allows getting to several observations; some might be of interest to users, and some for the Syslinux developers. syslinux.cfg *** UI menu.c32 DEFAULT help TIMEOUT 30 # ONTIMEOUT help LABEL pwd COM32 pwd.c32 LABEL help MENU HELP help.txt *** 1_ For the TIMEOUT-related directives to behave as expected, at least 2 LABELs shall be present. 2_ Manually selecting "LABEL help" from the menu will display the content of "help.txt". 3_ Letting the DEFAULT or the ONTIMEOUT (when uncommented) directives automatically select "LABEL help" means that the core (not menu.c32) parses the "MENU HELP" directive, which of course fails (since the core parses MENU directives as comments, or disregards them, or does not understand them). The following tests take advantage of this known behavior so to trigger error messages. 4_ Using Syslinux 4.05 with the above cfg: 4.1_ The menu is displayed for 3 seconds; and then; 4.2_ An error message, "Invalid or corrupt kernel image", and the "boot:" prompt are displayed; and then; 4.3_ After 3 additional seconds the menu is displayed again (as the UI directive takes precedence). 4.4_ This whole cycle repeats itself until user intervention. 5_ Using Syslinux 4.05 with the above cfg but with ONTIMEOUT uncommented: 5.1_ The menu is displayed for 3 seconds; and then; 5.2_ An error message, "Invalid or corrupt kernel image", and the "boot:" prompt are displayed; and then; 5.3_ After 3 additional seconds, a _different_ error message, "Could not find kernel image: help", is displayed followed by the "boot:" prompt; and then; 5.4_ The step above, #5.3 alone, repeats itself until user intervention. Observation #5.1: In Syslinux 4.05, once in CLI mode, the ONTIMEOUT directive takes precedence over the UI directive. Observation #5.2: In this case ("ONTIMEOUT + MENU HELP help.txt"), there are 2 different error messages, depending on whether the menu or the CLI is used. 6_ Repeating test #4, with the above cfg but using Syslinux 6.03-pre10: 6.1_ The menu is displayed for 3 seconds; and then; 6.2_ No error message is visible. The menu is displayed again, for the next 3 seconds, and the cycle repeats itself until user intervention. 6.3_ Pressing ESC twice we end up in the "boot:" prompt (first ESC) and the timer has no effect now (after the second ESC). 6.4_ Entering "help" in CLI we trigger the "LABEL help" entry. Since the CLI cannot parse a "MENU HELP help.txt" directive, we get a "Loading help... failed: No such file or directory", followed by the "boot:" prompt. 6.5_ After 3 seconds, the TIMEOUT directive kicks in, displaying the menu (again). 6.6_ Repeat step #6.3. 6.7_ Repeat step #6.4 but after the error message is displayed we press ESC once more, so the TIMEOUT is stopped, leaving us in the "boot:" prompt, where we can clearly still see the error message from attempting the "LABEL help" entry from CLI. Observation #6.1: Note the different behavior comparing step #4.2 with step #6.2. Observation #6.2: In Syslinux 4.05, the error message is "Invalid or corrupt kernel image", while in Syslinux 6.03-pre10 the error message is "Loading help... failed: No such file or directory" (where "help" is the name of the "kernel image"). Observation #6.3: In Syslinux 4.05, the error message is visible, while in Syslinux 6.03-pre10 the error message might not be. In Syslinux 6.03-pre10, the behavior that a common user would see is just the menu being displayed again and again. In such condition, a user would need to know how to trigger a relevant error message from CLI. 7_ *Attempting* to repeat test #5, with the above cfg but with ONTIMEOUT uncommented, using Syslinux 6.03-pre10: 7.1_ The menu is displayed for 3 seconds; and then it is displayed again and again. At this point, the behavior is already different between Syslinux 4.05 and 6.03-pre10. 7.2_ Press ESC once, so to get to CLI. After the TIMEOUT (3 seconds), an error message, "Loading help... failed: No such file or directory" (where "help" is the "kernel image"), followed by the "boot:" prompt; and then; 7.3_ After 3 additional seconds, the _same_ error message, "Loading help... failed: No such file or directory", is displayed followed by the "boot:" prompt; and then; 7.4_ The step above, #7.3 alone, repeats itself until user intervention. Observation #7.1: Note the different behavior comparing step #5.2 with step #7.1. Observation #7.2: In Syslinux 6.03-pre10 (same as in Syslinux 4.05), once in CLI mode, the ONTIMEOUT directive takes precedence over the UI directive. Observation #7.3: In Syslinux 6.03-pre10 the error message is the same, whether the error is triggered by the menu parser or by the core. In Syslinux 4.05 the respective error messages were different. 8_ Testing the behavior of the SHIFT / ALT / CAPS LOCK / SCROLL LOCK keys during boot time (so to bypass the default "PROMPT 0") in Syslinux 4.05, the expected behavior is seen: instead of booting into the menu (UI directive), we boot into the "boot:" prompt. 9_ Testing the behavior of the SHIFT / ALT / CAPS LOCK / SCROLL LOCK keys during boot time (so to bypass the default "PROMPT 0") in Syslinux 6.03-pre10, all alternative keys fail. This bug is present since version 5.00. Note that I have not tested the "MENU SHIFTKEY" behavior, which is a different feature. To be clear, I am not saying that the current behaviors are a problem (except for the last test #9); I am just pointing them out. Hopefully this email might be of interest for some user(s). In some cases, users might just see a menu displayed again and again, covering up relevant error messages. In the future, web search engines might consider the Syslinux Mailing List as "active" again (as oppose to the current erroneous "dormant" state). Perhaps some documentation improvements could result from this. The behaviors described here might eventually catch the attention of the Syslinux developers, perhaps in relation to some (future) report. And perhaps the current bug in the "force-boot-prompt keys" could be resolved. Regards, Ady.