dovecot - Jun 2013 - Allowing clients to test their Sieve scripts

Hi,

One thing which came up repeatedly is that clients using the IMAP server I run
(using Dovecot 2.1) wonder whether they broke their Sieve scripts, i.e. it often
goes like "I don't know whether I just didn't receive any mail, or
whether my filters broke. Can you check the logs?".

I then usually just run the sieve-test binary (part of the Pigeonhole
distribution) and send them the output. However, I was wondering - is there
maybe a way for them to try it themselves? Like, maybe a tiny web server which
just prints a form asking for a mail file and a sieve script, and then it runs
sieve-script and prints the output of that? I wonder how other people do that.

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On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 09:40:52AM -0700, Frerich Raabe
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> One thing which came up repeatedly is that clients using the IMAP server I
run (using Dovecot 2.1) wonder whether they broke their Sieve scripts, i.e. it
often goes like "I don't know whether I just didn't receive any
mail, or whether my filters broke. Can you check the logs?".
> 
> I then usually just run the sieve-test binary (part of the Pigeonhole
distribution) and send them the output. However, I was wondering - is there
maybe a way for them to try it themselves? Like, maybe a tiny web server which
just prints a form asking for a mail file and a sieve script, and then it runs
sieve-script and prints the output of that? I wonder how other people do that.
> 
> -- 
> Frerich Raabe - raabe at froglogic.com
> www.froglogic.com - Multi-Platform GUI Testing
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
The ManageSieve plugin in Thunderbird does basic syntax checks, to check
if your Sieve script does what it is supposed to to do, there is
something like this - https://www.fastmail.fm/docs/sieve/sievetest.php
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On 6/14/2013 12:40 PM, Frerich Raabe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> One thing which came up repeatedly is that clients using the IMAP server I
run (using Dovecot 2.1) wonder whether they broke their Sieve scripts, i.e. it
often goes like "I don't know whether I just didn't receive any
mail, or whether my filters broke. Can you check the logs?".
>
> I then usually just run the sieve-test binary (part of the Pigeonhole
distribution) and send them the output. However, I was wondering - is there
maybe a way for them to try it themselves? Like, maybe a tiny web server which
just prints a form asking for a mail file and a sieve script, and then it runs
sieve-script and prints the output of that? I wonder how other people do that.
>
If you have Thunderbird, you may want to have them try out the Sieve 
plug-in available at http://sieve.mozdev.org/

It auto-compiles and displays errors in the edit window.

The other thing we do is use RoundCube webmail (which has a sieve 
plugin) and have our users edit their sieve scripts through that 
instead.  It's a form-based rules editor, so a bit harder for them to 
goof it up.

At  9AM -0700 on 14/06/13 you (Frerich Raabe) wrote:
> 
> One thing which came up repeatedly is that clients using the IMAP
> server I run (using Dovecot 2.1) wonder whether they broke their Sieve
> scripts, i.e. it often goes like "I don't know whether I just
didn't
> receive any mail, or whether my filters broke. Can you check the
> logs?".
> 
> I then usually just run the sieve-test binary (part of the Pigeonhole
> distribution) and send them the output. However, I was wondering - is
> there maybe a way for them to try it themselves? Like, maybe a tiny
> web server which just prints a form asking for a mail file and a sieve
> script, and then it runs sieve-script and prints the output of that? I
> wonder how other people do that.
Simply providing some way for them to read the .dovecot.sieve.log file
created in their home directory would be a good start. If there are any
problems with delivery they will be logged there. You could set up some
sort of web access, or even have a daily cronjob to mail the file to the
user if it isn't empty.

Ben

Frerich Raabe skrev den 2013-06-14 18:40:
> One thing which came up repeatedly is that clients using the IMAP
> server I run (using Dovecot 2.1) wonder whether they broke their 
> Sieve
> scripts, i.e. it often goes like "I don't know whether I just
didn't
> receive any mail, or whether my filters broke. Can you check the
> logs?".
+1
> I then usually just run the sieve-test binary (part of the Pigeonhole
> distribution) and send them the output. However, I was wondering - is
> there maybe a way for them to try it themselves? Like, maybe a tiny
> web server which just prints a form asking for a mail file and a 
> sieve
> script, and then it runs sieve-script and prints the output of that? 
> I
> wonder how other people do that.
is dovecot not just ignore sieve scripts that is invalid ?

if so why not let it until scripts writer have access to sieve-test in 
localhost, it could not being test on any orher webpage since sieve is 
basicly uniq pr host that support it

and i think managesieve should test scripts before commit it to 
filesystem

maybe it will change, but i dopt

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On Fri, 14 Jun 2013, Frerich Raabe wrote:
> One thing which came up repeatedly is that clients using the IMAP server 
> I run (using Dovecot 2.1) wonder whether they broke their Sieve scripts, 
> i.e. it often goes like "I don't know whether I just didn't
receive any
> mail, or whether my filters broke. Can you check the logs?".
>
> I then usually just run the sieve-test binary (part of the Pigeonhole 
> distribution) and send them the output. However, I was wondering - is 
> there maybe a way for them to try it themselves? Like, maybe a tiny web 
> server which just prints a form asking for a mail file and a sieve 
> script, and then it runs sieve-script and prints the output of that? I 
> wonder how other people do that.
you are not referring to syntax errors, do you?

Otherwise, this seems to be a nice idea to let users actually _test_ their 
scripts. However, I wonder how educated they are, in order to paste in a 
correct "mail file" incl. header and the like.

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Steffen Kaiser
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