LARTC - May 2003 - wondershaper prio question

Referencing the cbq wondershaper as a discussion example, let me ask a stupid 
question with regard to how the rules actually work and what they actually 
do.

"Prio" is discussed in the howto as a qdisc, but in the wondershaper,
it
appears to be a cbq parameter rather than a qdisc in its own right.  My 
question is this:

If the outgoing queue is full of traffic identified as "traffic we
hate", or
1:30 at prio 2, what exactly is the behavior of the system for a ping packet, 
for example, which should classify as 1:10 at prio 1?  Does the ping packet 
bypass the 1:30 line, because it''s prio is lower? (discounting
stochastic
fairness behavior)

If, as is the case with 1:20 and 1:30 in the wondershaper, the prio is 
identical but bandwidth is different, how exactly does the system behave?  
Will it look at every outbound packet in the queue, make a bandwidth 
decision, and then either send the packet or skip it?  Let''s assume the
example as above - a queue full of 1:30 traffic, and here comes a 1:20 
packet.  I''m guessing the kernel is cycling through each 1:30 packet
and
deciding not to forward it yet, then coming to the 1:20 packet, and 
forwarding it because 1:20''s bandwidth is higher.

As I understand it, if we were to analogize this process with a line (queue 
for our UK friends) at a resturaunt, for example, the first situation, with 
two different prios, would take the form of two differnt lines, such that 
(again, discounting sfq for the purposes of discussion) no one in the prio 2 
line could be seated if anyone was standing in the prio 1 line.

The second situation, with the same prio level for each queue, would be 
represented by a single line, but where the matre''d asks the first
person a
question to determine their queue class, finds that the resturaunt is at its 
maximum level for that type of "customer", then moves on to the second
in
line and so on until reaching the 1:20 "customer", who then is removed
from
the back of the line and seated.

Is this the meaning of "prio" in the wondershaper?  If not,
what''s really
happening?

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On Saturday 10 May 2003 02:23, John McCain wrote:
> Referencing the cbq wondershaper as a discussion example, let me ask a
> stupid question with regard to how the rules actually work and what they
> actually do.
>
> "Prio" is discussed in the howto as a qdisc, but in the
wondershaper, it
> appears to be a cbq parameter rather than a qdisc in its own right.  My
> question is this:
You have the prio qdisc that can be used to transmit packets.
But you also have the prio option that can be used if you add a class or a 
filter.  For the filters, it detemines the order the filters are checked.  
For the classes, it depends.  For a htb class, it determines the latency and 
the borrowing scheme of the class.  I''m not sure what it does for a cbq
class, but I think the packets of the lowest prio cbq class or sended first.
> If the outgoing queue is full of traffic identified as "traffic we
hate",
> or 1:30 at prio 2, what exactly is the behavior of the system for a ping
> packet, for example, which should classify as 1:10 at prio 1?  Does the
> ping packet bypass the 1:30 line, because it''s prio is lower?
(discounting
> stochastic fairness behavior)
>
> If, as is the case with 1:20 and 1:30 in the wondershaper, the prio is
> identical but bandwidth is different, how exactly does the system behave?
> Will it look at every outbound packet in the queue, make a bandwidth
> decision, and then either send the packet or skip it?  Let''s
assume the
> example as above - a queue full of 1:30 traffic, and here comes a 1:20
> packet.  I''m guessing the kernel is cycling through each 1:30
packet and
> deciding not to forward it yet, then coming to the 1:20 packet, and
> forwarding it because 1:20''s bandwidth is higher.
>
> As I understand it, if we were to analogize this process with a line (queue
> for our UK friends) at a resturaunt, for example, the first situation, with
> two different prios, would take the form of two differnt lines, such that
> (again, discounting sfq for the purposes of discussion) no one in the prio
> 2 line could be seated if anyone was standing in the prio 1 line.
>
> The second situation, with the same prio level for each queue, would be
> represented by a single line, but where the matre''d asks the first
person a
> question to determine their queue class, finds that the resturaunt is at
> its maximum level for that type of "customer", then moves on to
the second
> in line and so on until reaching the 1:20 "customer", who then is
removed
> from the back of the line and seated.
>
> Is this the meaning of "prio" in the wondershaper?  If not,
what''s really
> happening?
Stef

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