Some ORM''s offers inline associations with id-less objects. A number of patches included for variety''s sake. https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994-ruby-on-rails/tickets/4551 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-core+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core?hl=en.