Has anyone used this library. I''m not a fan but my co-worker is trying to seel me on this. I would give him a definitive no if I knew that no one else used it. -- Michael Stephens Electrical Engineering Graduate Student University of Wyoming falcon-YEnD+YylA9E@public.gmane.org or 89iroc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Depends on what you need. IE7.js is brilliant if you want to bring IE6 and 7 up to (mostly) modern DOM and event compliance. But you don''t need it if you''re using something like Prototype or jQuery or MooTools or <insert your favorite library here> because those libraries will pave over those issues for you. Personally, big shout outs to Dean Edwards for IE7.js. (There might even be an IE8.js out already.) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Michael Stephens <89iroc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Has anyone used this library. I''m not a fan but my co-worker is trying to > seel me on this. I would give him a definitive no if I knew that no one > else used it.-- Science answers questions; philosophy questions answers. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Frederick Polgardy wrote:> Depends on what you need. IE7.js is brilliant if you want to bring > IE6 and 7 up to (mostly) modern DOM and event compliance. But you > don''t need it if you''re using something like Prototype or jQuery or > MooTools or <insert your favorite library here> because those > libraries will pave over those issues for you. Personally, big shout > outs to Dean Edwards for IE7.js. (There might even be an IE8.js out > already.) > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Michael Stephens <89iroc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > <mailto:89iroc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>> wrote: > > Has anyone used this library. I''m not a fan but my co-worker is > trying to seel me on this. I would give him a definitive no if I > knew that no one else used it. >I''ve used it on two different projects. There is an IE8.js out. ( http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/ ) It really is a beautiful and useful script. IMO the main use of it is to save time not worrying about coding to IE deficiencies, especially with CSS. For example, use li:hover, opacity, png images, and proper box modeling all you want; IE8.js will automatically fix it. It does a bang-up job. It isn''t perfect on some of IE6''s more complex bugs, but it always displays better than IE6 alone. I find it to be a huge time saver and a really happy way to look forward to browser compliance. Spending half your time coding to and debugging for IE6 is not fun at all. - Ken Snyder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
It might be nice for fixing IE DOM issues, but I would never rely on it for fixing CSS issues, mostly because you can never depend on users always having JavaScript turned on. Something basic like the layout of your site should always work independent of the behavior layer, IMHO. -Tom On Jun 6, 5:46 am, "Michael Stephens" <89i...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Has anyone used this library. I''m not a fan but my co-worker is trying to > seel me on this. I would give him a definitive no if I knew that no one > else used it. > > -- > Michael Stephens > > Electrical Engineering Graduate Student > University of Wyoming > fal...-YEnD+YylA9E@public.gmane.org or 89i...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
TomH wrote:> It might be nice for fixing IE DOM issues, but I would never rely on > it for fixing CSS issues, mostly because you can never depend on users > always having JavaScript turned on. Something basic like the layout of > your site should always work independent of the behavior layer, > IMHO. > > -Tom >Hmm. I don''t know what the stats are on IE6 users without JS but it''s got to be pretty low. W3Schools reports 5% of users have JS enabled and that is the slightly more technical crowd. And it''s got to be much lower than that for a cross-tab of IE6 * no js. Without the CSS fixes, the site should be entirely usable, just missing a few things or formatted a bit askew. For example, my favorite thing to do is input[type=text] and input[type=submit] to style inputs to look snazzy. Or h1 + * to allow proper spacing after the h1. - Ken Snyder --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
You have missed one important thing - a page must declare proper DOCTYPE (i dont know is it true for others but for IE its true) to have ability to use CSS2 and IE7.js or IE8.js --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Well, no other browser will even attempt to evaluate IE7/8.js. :-) But yeah, that wouldn''t surprise me, you should really use the standards-enforcing HTML doctype anyway. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 7:51 AM, buda <budarin-2QRbNuDDdII@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > You have missed one important thing - a page must declare proper > DOCTYPE (i dont know is it true for others but for IE its true) to > have ability to use CSS2 and IE7.js or IE8.js-- Science answers questions; philosophy questions answers. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---