Stephen Major
2005-Jul-21 18:42 UTC
FW: FW: Adding OpenBSD sudo to the FreeBSD base system?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Sudo requires extra configuration that su does not. Why should I have to waste my time configuring another app just because a handful of people want it? I like su and how it works and I guarantee I am not the only one. You want it replaced replace it your self cd /usr/ports/security/sudo && make install clean That simple! Don't waste our time because you want something to be easier for you - -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Rob MacGregor Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:42 AM To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FW: Adding OpenBSD sudo to the FreeBSD base system? On Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:36 PM, asym <> unleashed the infinite monkeys and produced:> sudo does everything su does, and more, the question seems to be why NOT > replace it?As long as it can, when called as "su" behave exactly as su does, I wouldn't see a problem. The problem I'd have would be if it doesn't. - -- Rob | Oh my God! They killed init! You bastards! _______________________________________________ freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.0.1 (Build 2185) iQEVAwUBQt/sY6KXvLS903/FAQqMLwf/bqsRsc5PB55b0fhsNbZQRbuxrme/MaBH CdDyAF4yH2W8QAT7fMe5rq/SuoTzV4E8eMCcwoNncf/E7dRb04fLUmYVPc7K5MeN 14a1i4dqy4AUkpjqRixQTp7mztytZHJDkMLCv5kD+R8CzTBBp3C5IrVRI5pVdeUu mt8vuIb0cduqiU4yVHl2+N0fcSiv1taJMcb5wpVZicsPSJ/B3p+nmC3S50Y3hUpF 1o/xV0K2hf41ZIor/GzbQ3xJSjcEtEvwehWsoWCDtVAQREYwsjAM4ZUwp7XYKjqA tQ/4g++QfHStjbg2f9xbsbYOOIXRAkj7hT2pqhiPgrUa0qKyLZltrw==Tvu1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Jul 21, "Stephen Major" wrote:> Sudo requires extra configuration that su does not. > > Why should I have to waste my time configuring another app just because a > handful of people want it? I like su and how it works and I guarantee I am > not the only one. You want it replaced replace it your self > cd /usr/ports/security/sudo && make install clean > > That simple! Don't waste our time because you want something to be easier > for youLast week I had to do a little work on a 1980's AT&T Unix box. I'm glad that yours isn't the only opinion that has shaped the evolution of unix, or else I'd probably still be using such OSes all day! Sudo is a great tool, and adding it as part of the base system would be a great way to advance the FreeBSD security and usability baseline. After time, maybe enough people would start using sudo in place of su and it would be time to consider retiring su...a process that has happened thousands of times as a natural part of an evolving OS. Mike
At 14:41 7/21/2005, Stephen Major wrote:>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA512 > >Sudo requires extra configuration that su does not. > >Why should I have to waste my time configuring another app just because a >handful of people want it? I like su and how it works and I guarantee I am >not the only one. You want it replaced replace it your self >cd /usr/ports/security/sudo && make install clean > >That simple! Don't waste our time because you want something to be easier >for youNo such implication exists. Your claim is baseless. If sudo WERE included in the base system, the default configuration COULD be setup to mimic the very simplistic behavior of su. Hence, you would have to do absolutely nothing, it would only save work. I agree that if sudo is to be called as su (via symlink) as someone else pointed out, then it should behave the same way, but that's a simple thing to do even if sudo doesn't currently support it. I don't know, I only use su long enough to install my "must haves" like sudo, then never again.