R devel - Jul 2002 - Assignment operators (was [R] modifying a vector)

Bill Venables expected howls of protest about deprecation of underscore for
assign. Here's my one-and-only howl on this point:

(1) I don't like <- as an assignment operator, because it creates an
ambiguity with comparisons: I can write "x+1", "x-1",
"x<1" but not "x<-1".
However, I guess it's a bit much to expect the entire R/S community to do
away with "<-" in favour of "_" or Delphi (Pascal)
notation ":=", much as it
would delight me; so we're stuck with <- I guess.

(2) "_" strikes me as completely unambiguous. It means assignment, and
that's all it means. For my money, that's more important than
aesthetics.
Anyway, if you choose a nice colourscheme, the _ doesn't look that bad. Me,
I like green.

(3) for my remaining bit of money, "=" should not be allowed at all as
an
assignment operator: S made a mistake but R doesn't have to.
"="-as-assignment has to be hedged with all sorts of conditions to
prevent
ambiguities, and to have an operator which frequently can't be used
doesn't
seem helpful. Having it "grudgingly available to the cognoscenti" is
not all
that much better!

(4) If deprecation is the first step on the road to removal and to "_"
being
allowed in unquoted variable names, then that would be tiresome. I have many
hundreds of functions spanning thousands of lines of S/R code, filled with
"_"s. I really don't want to spend time changing all of them just
to solve a
non-problem in R. Which is, I should emphasize, a wonderful piece of
software.

Summary: to lose "_" and gain "=" would be a double whammy
with added salt
in the wound.

cheers
Mark

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On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 Mark.Bravington@csiro.au wrote:
> Bill Venables expected howls of protest about deprecation of underscore for
> assign. Here's my one-and-only howl on this point:
>
> (1) I don't like <- as an assignment operator, because it creates an
> ambiguity with comparisons: I can write "x+1", "x-1",
"x<1" but not "x<-1".
> However, I guess it's a bit much to expect the entire R/S community to
do
> away with "<-" in favour of "_" or Delphi (Pascal)
notation ":=", much as it
> would delight me; so we're stuck with <- I guess.
>
> (2) "_" strikes me as completely unambiguous. It means
assignment, and
> that's all it means. For my money, that's more important than
aesthetics.
> Anyway, if you choose a nice colourscheme, the _ doesn't look that bad.
Me,
> I like green.
>
> (3) for my remaining bit of money, "=" should not be allowed at
all as an
> assignment operator: S made a mistake but R doesn't have to.
> "="-as-assignment has to be hedged with all sorts of conditions
to prevent
> ambiguities, and to have an operator which frequently can't be used
doesn't
> seem helpful. Having it "grudgingly available to the cognoscenti"
is not all
> that much better!
>
> (4) If deprecation is the first step on the road to removal and to
"_" being
> allowed in unquoted variable names, then that would be tiresome. I have
many
> hundreds of functions spanning thousands of lines of S/R code, filled with
> "_"s. I really don't want to spend time changing all of them
just to solve a
> non-problem in R. Which is, I should emphasize, a wonderful piece of
> software.
There is a simple solution: use the procedures which have long been
described in `Writing R Extensions' to turn your code into properly
formatted canonical code.  (That turns all left-assignments into
`<-', since that is the canonical form.).

It may be a non-problem for you, but it was for the original poster in
the original thread.

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