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Modestas Vainius

2010-May-23 12:07 UTC

/usr/share/doc/kde4 (Debian) vs. /usr/share/doc/kde (Kubuntu)

Hello,

apparently, Debian and Kubuntu use different paths for HTML docs. Debian uses 
/usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML and Kubuntu uses /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML. I
don''t
know why this did happen (I didn''t care much about KDE 4 in its very
early <=
KDE 4.0.x days when it was unusable) though I would be very interested in 
hearing good reasons. My wild guess is /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common 
conflict with kdelibs-data (KDE 3)?.

Upstream default is yet another path (/usr/share/doc/HTML), which obviously is 
not a very good choice for Debian given how all packages use 
/usr/share/doc/<package>.

So obviously this difference does not make kubuntu people very happy because 
extra work is needed for merging packages from Debian. As far as I understand, 
they want Debian to switch. I also think that this difference in configuration 
could be avoided since there does not seem to be a good reason for it. So:

1) Which distro should switch and why? Make take on this is:
  a) as far as I understand, Kubuntu diverted from Debian on their own will 
sometime during KDE 4.{12} (please correct me if I''m wrong, I really
don''t
know) and face consequences now;
  b) but we also pursue for s/kde4/kde/ where kde4 is pointless. AFAIK, 
/usr/share/doc/kde4/ brings no advantages to the table in comparison with 
/usr/share/doc/kde. What is more, /usr/share/doc/kde is more traditional as it 
was used by KDE 3 as well.

2) Now implications of Debian switch:
  a) it is late in the release cycle, RMs won''t be very happy about it
and may
not even allow it when/if we ask;
  b) almost all affected packages (48 [ 30 excluding KDE SC]) will need 
maintainer uploads;
  c) majority of official KDE SC packages are affected (18 out of 23). So the 
only opportunity I see for this is KDE SC 4.4.4 release;
  d) if we do not do it for squeeze but for squeeze+1, we will complicate life 
for backporters;
  e) if we do it later, there will be more packages to fix;
  f) affected packages are mostly maintained by pkg-kde and pkg-kde-extras 
[1];
  g) we would need to solve one package conflict (kdelibs-data vs. kdelibs5-
data) for the switch and some changes to k3b-i18n will be needed [2];
  h) volunteers are needed for pulling this off. That is mass bug reporting, 
likely patch/NMU preparation (NMU sponsoring could be arranged if needed), 
tracking status. Personally, I do not volunteer.

1. $ grep usr/share/doc/kde4 Contents-amd64 | awk ''{print $2}''
| cut -d/ -f2 |
sort | uniq | xargs dd-list --nou

M G Berberich <berberic at fmi.uni-passau.de>
   kcollectd

Regis Boudin <regis at debian.org>
   tellico

Debian KDE Extras Team <pkg-kde-extras at lists.alioth.debian.org>
   digikam-doc
   icecc-monitor
   k3b
   kcheckgmail
   kdesudo
   kdesvn
   keurocalc
   kile
   kmess
   kmplayer
   kmymoney
   konq-plugins
   konversation
   kphotoalbum
   krecipes
   krusader
   rsibreak
   skanlite
   skrooge
   smb4k

Debian Multimedia Maintainers <pkg-multimedia-
maintainers at lists.alioth.debian.org>
   kmidimon

Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde at lists.debian.org>
   kde-l10n
   kde4libs
   kdeaccessibility
   kdeadmin
   kdebase
   kdebase-runtime
   kdebase-workspace
   kdeedu
   kdegames
   kdegraphics
   kdemultimedia
   kdenetwork
   kdepim
   kdepimlibs
   kdesdk
   kdetoys
   kdeutils
   kdewebdev

Thomas Friedrichsmeier <tfry at users.sourceforge.net>
   rkward

Debian QA Group <packages at qa.debian.org>
   kwave

Ryan Kavanagh <ryanakca at kubuntu.org>
   frescobaldi

Eike Sauer <eike at debian.org>
   kdiff3

Frank S. Thomas <fst at debian.org>
   eqonomize

Torsten Werner <twerner at debian.org>
   kvkbd

Jonathan Wiltshire <debian at jwiltshire.org.uk>
   backintime


2. Conflicting files after switch to /usr/share/doc/kde

usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/artistic-license.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/bottom-left.png	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/bottom-middle.png	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/bottom-right.png	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/bsd-license.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/fdl-license.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/fdl-notice.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/gpl-license.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/kde-default.css	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/kde_logo_bg.png	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/lgpl-license.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/mainfooter.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/mainheader.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/qpl-license.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/top-middle.png	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/x11-license.html	    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/10.png		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/doxygen.css		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/favicon.ico		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/fdl-license		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/footer.html		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/gpl-license		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/header.html		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/lgpl-license		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/top-left.png		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/xml.dcl		    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/1.png			    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/2.png			    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/3.png			    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/4.png			    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/5.png			    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/6.png			    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/7.png			    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/8.png			    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common/9.png			    libs/kdelibs5-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/artistic-license.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/bottom-left.png	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/bottom-middle.png	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/bottom-right.png	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/bsd-license.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/fdl-license.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/fdl-notice.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/gpl-license.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/kde-default.css	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/kde_logo_bg.png	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/lgpl-license.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/mainfooter.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/mainheader.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/qpl-license.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/x11-license.html	    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/doxygen.css		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/favicon.ico		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/fdl-license		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/footer.html		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/gpl-license		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/header.html		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/lgpl-license		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/top-left.png		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/top-middle.png		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/xml.dcl		    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/10.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/1.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/2.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/3.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/4.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/5.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/6.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/7.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/8.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/9.png			    libs/kdelibs-data
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/de/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/burndialog_audio.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/burndialog_progress.png	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy_reading.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy_settings.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy_writing.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/select_audiofiles.png	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/select_project.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/et/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/et/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/fr/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/fr/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/nl/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/nl/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/index.cache.bz2	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/burndialog_audio.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/burndialog_progress.png	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy_reading.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy_settings.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy_writing.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/select_audiofiles.png	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/select_project.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/uk/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/de/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/burndialog_audio.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/burndialog_progress.png	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy_reading.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy_settings.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy_writing.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/select_audiofiles.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/select_project.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/et/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/et/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/fr/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/fr/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/nl/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/nl/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/index.cache.bz2	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/audiocd-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/burndialog_audio.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/burndialog_progress.png	    localization/k3b-
i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy_reading.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy_settings.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy_writing.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/select_audiofiles.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/select_project.png	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/uk/k3b/cdcopy-howto.docbook	    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/de/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/de/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy_done.png		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/et/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/et/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/fr/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/fr/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/nl/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/nl/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/common		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy_done.png		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/uk/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/de/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/de/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/cdcopy_done.png		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/et/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/et/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/fr/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/fr/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/nl/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/nl/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/cdcopy_done.png		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/dcop.docbook		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/uk/k3b/index.cache.bz2		    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/de/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/es/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/et/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/fr/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/nl/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/pt/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/sv/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/uk/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/de/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/et/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/fr/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/nl/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt_BR/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pt/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/sv/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n
usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/uk/k3b/common			    localization/k3b-i18n

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Modestas Vainius <modestas at vainius.eu>
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Pino Toscano

2010-May-23 13:15 UTC

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Hi,

Alle domenica 23 maggio 2010, Modestas Vainius ha
scritto:> My wild guess is /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common conflict
> with kdelibs-data (KDE 3)?.
Most probably, yes.
>   b) almost all affected packages (48 [ 30 excluding KDE SC]) will
> need maintainer uploads;
A bit less, see below
>   c) majority of official KDE SC packages are affected (18 out of
> 23). So the only opportunity I see for this is KDE SC 4.4.4 release;
+1 on the switch for 4.4.4.

Among the packages you listed, some don''t explicitly list any 
documentation path in either install files, rules or anything else in 
the debian packaging (so a binNMU can be enough for them):
>    kcollectd
>    digikam-doc
>    icecc-monitor
>    kcheckgmail
>    kdesudo
>    kmess
>    kmplayer
>    kphotoalbum
>    krecipes
>    rsibreak
>    skanlite
>    smb4k
>    kmidimon
>    rkward
>    kwave
>    frescobaldi
>    kvkbd
>    backintime
= 18 packages

Instead, these need a sourceful upload:
>    tellico
>    k3b
>    kdesvn
>    keurocalc
>    kile
>    kmymoney
>    konq-plugins
>    konversation
>    krusader
>    skrooge
>    kdiff3
>    eqonomize
= 12 packages

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Sune Vuorela

2010-May-23 19:55 UTC

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On Sunday 23 May 2010 14:07:28 Modestas Vainius wrote:
 > So obviously this difference does not make kubuntu people very happy
> because extra work is needed for merging packages from Debian. As far as I
> understand, they want Debian to switch.
I thought they just asked to do s/kde4/kde\*/ in the install files, making the 
install files working on both debian and ubuntu.

/Sune
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Jonathan Riddell

2010-May-23 20:06 UTC

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On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 03:07:28PM +0300, Modestas Vainius
wrote:> apparently, Debian and Kubuntu use different paths for HTML docs. Debian
uses
> /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML and Kubuntu uses /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML. I
don''t
> know why this did happen (I didn''t care much about KDE 4 in its
very early <=
> KDE 4.0.x days when it was unusable) though I would be very interested in 
> hearing good reasons. My wild guess is /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common 
> conflict with kdelibs-data (KDE 3)?.
We do indeed change it to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML.  This is so that it
uses the same directory as KDE 3 packages and their documentation can
appear in the KDE 4 khelpcentre.  I think Debian had some conflicting
packages which we didn''t so it wasn''t suitable to change at
the time.

We install a symlink /usr/share/doc/kde4 -> /usr/share/doc/kde so we
don''t have to change every package compared to Debian.
> So obviously this difference does not make kubuntu people very happy
because
> extra work is needed for merging packages from Debian. As far as I
understand,
> they want Debian to switch.
Far be it from us to request anything of Debian :)

Jonathan

Modestas Vainius

2010-May-23 20:42 UTC

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Sveiki,

On sekmadienis 23 Gegu?? 2010 22:55:02 Sune Vuorela
wrote:> On Sunday 23 May 2010 14:07:28 Modestas Vainius wrote:
> > So obviously this difference does not make kubuntu people very happy
> > because extra work is needed for merging packages from Debian. As far
as
> > I understand, they want Debian to switch.
> 
> I thought they just asked to do s/kde4/kde\*/ in the install files, making
> the install files working on both debian and ubuntu.
> 
> /Sune
Then I misunderstood. But in any case, the latter would be a hack rather than 
a solution.

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Mark Purcell

2010-May-23 20:48 UTC

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On Sunday 23 May 2010 22:07:28 Modestas Vainius wrote:>   d) if we do not do it for squeeze but for squeeze+1, we will complicate
> life  for backporters;
>   e) if we do it later, there will be more packages to fix;
>   f) affected packages are mostly maintained by pkg-kde and pkg-kde-extras 
> [1];
Happy to doit..

If we are going forward, then lets do it sooner, not later.

Any chance we can get upstream to play?

Mark
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Modestas Vainius

2010-May-23 20:59 UTC

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Hello,

On sekmadienis 23 Gegu?? 2010 23:48:17 Mark Purcell
wrote:> On Sunday 23 May 2010 22:07:28 Modestas Vainius wrote:
> >   d) if we do not do it for squeeze but for squeeze+1, we will
complicate
> > 
> > life  for backporters;
> > 
> >   e) if we do it later, there will be more packages to fix;
> >   f) affected packages are mostly maintained by pkg-kde and
> >   pkg-kde-extras
> > 
> > [1];
> 
> Happy to doit..
> 
> If we are going forward, then lets do it sooner, not later.
> 
> Any chance we can get upstream to play?
Play what? :) This is 100% distro specific.


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Sven Joachim

2010-May-23 21:30 UTC

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On 2010-05-23 22:06 +0200, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 03:07:28PM +0300, Modestas Vainius wrote:
>> apparently, Debian and Kubuntu use different paths for HTML docs.
Debian uses
>> /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML and Kubuntu uses /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML. I
don''t
>> know why this did happen (I didn''t care much about KDE 4 in
its very early <=
>> KDE 4.0.x days when it was unusable) though I would be very interested
in
>> hearing good reasons. My wild guess is
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common
>> conflict with kdelibs-data (KDE 3)?.
>
> We do indeed change it to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML.  This is so that it
> uses the same directory as KDE 3 packages and their documentation can
> appear in the KDE 4 khelpcentre.
Hm, here khelpcenter4 has no problem finding documentation for both KDE 3
and KDE 4 packages.
> We install a symlink /usr/share/doc/kde4 -> /usr/share/doc/kde so we
> don''t have to change every package compared to Debian.
This might lead to silently overwritten files at some time (if package A
installs /usr/share/doc/kde4/foo and package B installs
/usr/share/doc/kde/foo, there is a file conflict which dpkg will not
detect).

Sven

Modestas Vainius

2010-May-23 22:00 UTC

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Hello,

On sekmadienis 23 Gegu?? 2010 23:06:58 Jonathan Riddell
wrote:> We install a symlink /usr/share/doc/kde4 -> /usr/share/doc/kde so we
> don''t have to change every package compared to Debian.
Och, that''s hackish. Now think about how you are going to get rid of it
:) If
you remove the symlink before all packages referencing /usr/share/doc/kde4 are 
removed from the user system, at least later upgrades may leave some dangling 
files in /usr/share/doc/kde on user systems (and that''s provided dpkg
does not
choke somewhere).

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Mark Purcell

2010-May-23 22:11 UTC

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On Monday 24 May 2010 06:59:38 Modestas Vainius wrote:> Hello,
> 
> On sekmadienis 23 Gegu?? 2010 23:48:17 Mark Purcell wrote:
> > Any chance we can get upstream to play?
> 
> Play what? :) This is 100% distro specific.
Sorry, I missed your earlier piece:
> Upstream default is yet another path (/usr/share/doc/HTML), which obviously
> is not a very good choice for Debian given how all packages use
> /usr/share/doc/<package>.
Upstream default isn''t great IMHO for any distribution, Debian/ Ubuntu
based
or not.

Any chance we could convince upstream to use something more sensible, ie get 
upstream to switch to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML?

Mark
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Scott Kitterman

2010-May-23 22:27 UTC

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"Sune Vuorela" <Sune at vuorela.dk> wrote:
>On Sunday 23 May 2010 14:07:28 Modestas Vainius wrote:
> 
>> So obviously this difference does not make kubuntu people very happy
>> because extra work is needed for merging packages from Debian. As far
as I
>> understand, they want Debian to switch.
>
>I thought they just asked to do s/kde4/kde\*/ in the install files, making
the
>install files working on both debian and ubuntu.
>
That''s correct. 

I think kde is more logical than kde4, so I think it would be a good change to
make and would be willing to help with the change in Debian if you decide to go
to kde,  but I think it''s entirely up to you to decide if you want to
do it.

Scott K

Modestas Vainius

2010-Jun-01 20:49 UTC

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Hello,

On sekmadienis 23 Gegu?? 2010 16:15:39 Pino Toscano
wrote:> > 
> > 23). So the only opportunity I see for this is KDE SC 4.4.4 release;
> 
> +1 on the switch for 4.4.4.
4.4.4 in archive so mini-transition has started.
> Among the packages you listed, some don''t explicitly list any
> documentation path in either install files, rules or anything else in
> 
> the debian packaging (so a binNMU can be enough for them):
> >    kcollectd
> >    digikam-doc
> >    icecc-monitor
> >    kcheckgmail
> >    kdesudo
> >    kmess
> >    kmplayer
> >    kphotoalbum
> >    krecipes
> >    rsibreak
> >    skanlite
> >    smb4k
> >    kmidimon
> >    rkward
> >    kwave
> >    frescobaldi
> >    kvkbd
> >    backintime
> 
> = 18 packages
Our kde4libs 4.4.4 still looks in the /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML for docs so 
binNMUs are not needed for proper functionality. What''s more,
technically, if
docs are in the arch:all package, binNMU won''t help. So maybe we will
get back
to fixing these packages sometime right before freeze. Hopefully, most of 
these packages will "fix themselves" when maintainer does a routine
upload to
solve other issues.
> Instead, these need a sourceful upload:
> >    tellico
> >    k3b
> >    kdesvn
> >    keurocalc
> >    kile
> >    kmymoney
> >    konq-plugins
> >    konversation
> >    krusader
> >    skrooge
> >    kdiff3
> >    eqonomize
> 
> = 12 packages
I filled serious bugs against tellico, kdiff3 and eqonomize. Other packages 
belong to KDE extras so rather than filling bugs I sent a mail. However, 
during routine rebuild of archive, Lucas might open serious bugs against those 
packages as well. So there is no need to delay uploads for too long.

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