Ah set the host to tcp only i can now ping both ways so thats great :) My next step will be how to reach the whole network either side of the vpn which i suspect will be down to routing. Lots of reading ahoy Terry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: terry.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 125 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://brouwer.uvt.nl/pipermail/tinc/attachments/20060530/c098a9cd/terry.vcf