Ironruby core - Jun 2010 - Visual Ruby / Ruby in Steel — what's up?

I''d like to use Visual Studio to work with IronRuby projects. (As a
developer and in Ruby, I''m a relative beginner; the group I''m
working
with is committed to using VS.)

Am I correct in understanding that, up until recently, the way to get IR
integrated most thoroughly into VS was through Ruby in Steel?

I''ve read the back-and-forth about Microsoft''s non-commitment
to a
making a Ruby equivalent of Visual Python.

As a practical matter, if I get the Text edition of Ruby in Steel will
that provide the essential features I would want to integrate XAML work
with Ruby coding?

Has anything changed on the Microsoft end that would settle whether a
Visual Ruby will appear?

Thanks,

Roger Sperberg
-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Roger Sperberg wrote:
> I''d like to use Visual Studio to work with IronRuby projects. (As
a
> developer and in Ruby, I''m a relative beginner; the group
I''m working
> with is committed to using VS.)
> 
> Am I correct in understanding that, up until recently, the way to get IR
> integrated most thoroughly into VS was through Ruby in Steel?
> 
> I''ve read the back-and-forth about Microsoft''s
non-commitment to a
> making a Ruby equivalent of Visual Python.
> 
> As a practical matter, if I get the Text edition of Ruby in Steel will
> that provide the essential features I would want to integrate XAML work
> with Ruby coding?
> 
> Has anything changed on the Microsoft end that would settle whether a
> Visual Ruby will appear?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger Sperberg
Unfortunately several months ago ruby in steel decided to stop giving 
support to IronRuby, I hope they change their mind in the near future.

I would like to add to the list of questions whether Ruby in Steel does 
have support to Visual Studio 2010 (regardless of the fact that for now 
they don''t support ironruby).

Thank you, (and sorry Roger for adding to your question another one and 
not being helpful for you)

Eduardo Blumenfeld
-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Hi Rober,

A great option might be RubyMine. There was some discussion in their forum
last year about making it work for IR. Not sure how far this got, but AFAIR
they were going to look into it. Here''s an old post from
Ivan<http://flanders.co.nz/2009/05/02/using-ironruby-with-rubymine/>about
how to make it work (on a prev version of RubyMine). A quick google
didn''t show any updates, so I''m not sure what''s the
status of this.

One question, what sort of Xaml/IR integration are you looking at?

Miguel.


On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Eduardo Blumenfeld <lists at
ruby-forum.com>wrote:
> Roger Sperberg wrote:
> > I''d like to use Visual Studio to work with IronRuby projects.
(As a
> > developer and in Ruby, I''m a relative beginner; the group
I''m working
> > with is committed to using VS.)
> >
> > Am I correct in understanding that, up until recently, the way to get
IR
> > integrated most thoroughly into VS was through Ruby in Steel?
> >
> > I''ve read the back-and-forth about Microsoft''s
non-commitment to a
> > making a Ruby equivalent of Visual Python.
> >
> > As a practical matter, if I get the Text edition of Ruby in Steel will
> > that provide the essential features I would want to integrate XAML
work
> > with Ruby coding?
> >
> > Has anything changed on the Microsoft end that would settle whether a
> > Visual Ruby will appear?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Roger Sperberg
>
> Unfortunately several months ago ruby in steel decided to stop giving
> support to IronRuby, I hope they change their mind in the near future.
>
> I would like to add to the list of questions whether Ruby in Steel does
> have support to Visual Studio 2010 (regardless of the fact that for now
> they don''t support ironruby).
>
> Thank you, (and sorry Roger for adding to your question another one and
> not being helpful for you)
>
> Eduardo Blumenfeld
>  --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>


-- 
Miguel A. Madero Reyes
www.miguelmadero.com (blog)
me at miguelmadero.com
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I''m using RubyMine and it works perfectly and you can also configure it
to
use the IronRuby interpreter.
I have instructions how to do that in my book and I''ve found out that
you
can get it for free on Amazon (should I even say that? eh whatever) - go to
the book''s
page<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0672330784?ie=UTF8&tag=iron0c-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0672330784>,
click on the cover image and the "Look Inside" dialog will open.
Navigate to
page 36 and you''ll find the instructions there.

One thing to notice - RubyMine is not free, but I think it worth the money.

Shay.
--------------------------------------------------------
Shay Friedman | Microsoft Visual C#/IronRuby MVP | Author of IronRuby
Unleashed | Sela Technology Center
Blog: http://IronShay.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/ironshay


On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Miguel Madero <me at miguelmadero.com>
wrote:
> Hi Rober,
>
> A great option might be RubyMine. There was some discussion in their forum
> last year about making it work for IR. Not sure how far this got, but AFAIR
> they were going to look into it. Here''s an old post from
Ivan<http://flanders.co.nz/2009/05/02/using-ironruby-with-rubymine/>about
how to make it work (on a prev version of RubyMine). A quick google
> didn''t show any updates, so I''m not sure what''s
the status of this.
>
> One question, what sort of Xaml/IR integration are you looking at?
>
> Miguel.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Eduardo Blumenfeld <lists at
ruby-forum.com>wrote:
>
>> Roger Sperberg wrote:
>> > I''d like to use Visual Studio to work with IronRuby
projects. (As a
>> > developer and in Ruby, I''m a relative beginner; the group
I''m working
>> > with is committed to using VS.)
>> >
>> > Am I correct in understanding that, up until recently, the way to
get IR
>> > integrated most thoroughly into VS was through Ruby in Steel?
>> >
>> > I''ve read the back-and-forth about Microsoft''s
non-commitment to a
>> > making a Ruby equivalent of Visual Python.
>> >
>> > As a practical matter, if I get the Text edition of Ruby in Steel
will
>> > that provide the essential features I would want to integrate XAML
work
>> > with Ruby coding?
>> >
>> > Has anything changed on the Microsoft end that would settle
whether a
>> > Visual Ruby will appear?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Roger Sperberg
>>
>> Unfortunately several months ago ruby in steel decided to stop giving
>> support to IronRuby, I hope they change their mind in the near future.
>>
>> I would like to add to the list of questions whether Ruby in Steel does
>> have support to Visual Studio 2010 (regardless of the fact that for now
>> they don''t support ironruby).
>>
>> Thank you, (and sorry Roger for adding to your question another one and
>> not being helpful for you)
>>
>> Eduardo Blumenfeld
>>  --
>> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ironruby-core mailing list
>> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Miguel A. Madero Reyes
> www.miguelmadero.com (blog)
> me at miguelmadero.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
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+1 for RubyMine. I am a total JetBrains fanboy. One nice benefit of RubyMine
for me is that your license works for both windows and OSX so one nice ide
for ruby on multiple platforms.

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Shay Friedman <shay.friedman at
gmail.com>wrote:
> I''m using RubyMine and it works perfectly and you can also
configure it to
> use the IronRuby interpreter.
> I have instructions how to do that in my book and I''ve found out
that you
> can get it for free on Amazon (should I even say that? eh whatever) - go to
> the book''s
page<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0672330784?ie=UTF8&tag=iron0c-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0672330784>,
> click on the cover image and the "Look Inside" dialog will open.
Navigate to
> page 36 and you''ll find the instructions there.
>
> One thing to notice - RubyMine is not free, but I think it worth the money.
>
> Shay.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Shay Friedman | Microsoft Visual C#/IronRuby MVP | Author of IronRuby
> Unleashed | Sela Technology Center
> Blog: http://IronShay.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/ironshay
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Miguel Madero <me at
miguelmadero.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Rober,
>>
>> A great option might be RubyMine. There was some discussion in their
forum
>> last year about making it work for IR. Not sure how far this got, but
AFAIR
>> they were going to look into it. Here''s an old post from
Ivan<http://flanders.co.nz/2009/05/02/using-ironruby-with-rubymine/>about
how to make it work (on a prev version of RubyMine). A quick google
>> didn''t show any updates, so I''m not sure
what''s the status of this.
>>
>> One question, what sort of Xaml/IR integration are you looking at?
>>
>> Miguel.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Eduardo Blumenfeld <lists at
ruby-forum.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Roger Sperberg wrote:
>>> > I''d like to use Visual Studio to work with IronRuby
projects. (As a
>>> > developer and in Ruby, I''m a relative beginner; the
group I''m working
>>> > with is committed to using VS.)
>>> >
>>> > Am I correct in understanding that, up until recently, the way
to get
>>> IR
>>> > integrated most thoroughly into VS was through Ruby in Steel?
>>> >
>>> > I''ve read the back-and-forth about
Microsoft''s non-commitment to a
>>> > making a Ruby equivalent of Visual Python.
>>> >
>>> > As a practical matter, if I get the Text edition of Ruby in
Steel will
>>> > that provide the essential features I would want to integrate
XAML work
>>> > with Ruby coding?
>>> >
>>> > Has anything changed on the Microsoft end that would settle
whether a
>>> > Visual Ruby will appear?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Roger Sperberg
>>>
>>> Unfortunately several months ago ruby in steel decided to stop
giving
>>> support to IronRuby, I hope they change their mind in the near
future.
>>>
>>> I would like to add to the list of questions whether Ruby in Steel
does
>>> have support to Visual Studio 2010 (regardless of the fact that for
now
>>> they don''t support ironruby).
>>>
>>> Thank you, (and sorry Roger for adding to your question another one
and
>>> not being helpful for you)
>>>
>>> Eduardo Blumenfeld
>>>  --
>>> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ironruby-core mailing list
>>> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Miguel A. Madero Reyes
>> www.miguelmadero.com (blog)
>> me at miguelmadero.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ironruby-core mailing list
>> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>
>

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I would prefer a visual studio 2010 compatible solution.

The rationale about that is the integration with SQL Server
and the .net windows world.
-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Miguel Madero wrote:
> One question, what sort of Xaml/IR integration are you looking at?
First, what Shay Friedman says in talking about IDE''s in "IronRuby
Unleashed" on page 37: "the ability to run IronRuby directly"
from its
interface.

And secondly, what my colleague(s) show me with VS and C# ? automatic 
creation of code-behind files and placeholder code when creating a 
project and when adding objects (like buttons) to XAML.


Eduardo Blumenfeld wrote:
> I would like to add to the list of questions whether Ruby in Steel does 
> have support to Visual Studio 2010 (regardless of the fact that for now 
> they don''t support ironruby).
This is also a question I have, and I''m glad you brought it up,
Eduardo.

If I were to purchase Ruby in Steel text edition (I won''t be doing any 
Rails work), I''d be working with one of the no-charge Express editions 
of VS and other considerations make the 2010 version preferable for our 
project.


Shay Friedman wrote:
>I have instructions how to do that in my book and I''ve found out
that
>you can get it for free on Amazon (should I even say that? eh whatever) - 
> ...
>
>One thing to notice - RubyMine is not free, but I think it worth the 
>money.
Your book is worth the money too. I purchased it a week ago and am glad 
I did.

I wonder ? are there updates online to account for differences in the 
release version from the pre-release version the book was written from? 
I''m thinking particularly of chapter 16 on Silverlight.

I''m defintely tilted toward VS right now as an IDE, because I can get 
things explained by people I work with who use it. But I wonder: Does 
RubyMine work well with XAML?

And I followed the link to ironshay.com in your signature, which led me 
to the post from Dec 2008 on using VS to debug and run IronRuby code[1]. 
Does that still work? I''ll be trying it out after I get off work.

Thanks,

Roger


[1] 
http://www.ironshay.com/post/how-to-debug-and-run-ironruby-code-from-visual-studio.aspx

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I agree totally.
It is a shame the guys from SapphireSteel don''t continue their
integration
work in Visual Studio for IronRuby.
They did a terrific job for integrating Ruby in Visual Studio.
Microsoft should be very grateful to them, buying the code they already
wrote for the integration of IronRuby in VS (for example they build a forms
designer), and working further upon that to make a good integration of
IronRuby in Visual Studio, somewhat also along the lines what they did for
F#.

Ivo Balbaert

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I would prefer a visual studio 2010 compatible solution.

The rationale about that is the integration with SQL Server
and the .net windows world.
-- 
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I just received a reply from Huw Collingbourne
from ShappireSteel (the makes of Ruby in Steel)
about the support for VS 2010:

----------------------
Ruby In Steel 1.5 supports VS2008 and 2005 only. We will have more to 
say about VS2010 later this summer and will post information on our 
Blog.

best wishes

Huw
----------------------

Shay:
I got your book four weeks ago.
It is great!!!

Thanks,

Eduardo Blumenfeld

-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Thanks guys. I''m really glad you''re enjoying the book!

Regarding a place with all the release differences - currently there
isn''t
such a place. I will talk to my editor and maybe we will generate one soon.
However, I don''t think that the Silverlight chapter has a lot of
differences.

Regarding the debugging in VS - should still be working.

Shay.
--------------------------------------------------------
Shay Friedman | Microsoft Visual C#/IronRuby MVP | Author of IronRuby
Unleashed | Sela Technology Center
Blog: http://IronShay.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/ironshay


On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Eduardo Blumenfeld <lists at
ruby-forum.com>wrote:
> I just received a reply from Huw Collingbourne
> from ShappireSteel (the makes of Ruby in Steel)
> about the support for VS 2010:
>
> ----------------------
> Ruby In Steel 1.5 supports VS2008 and 2005 only. We will have more to
> say about VS2010 later this summer and will post information on our
> Blog.
>
> best wishes
>
> Huw
> ----------------------
>
> Shay:
> I got your book four weeks ago.
> It is great!!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eduardo Blumenfeld
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>
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>>> Regarding the debugging in VS - should still be working.
Yep, it does. Make sure to run IronRuby with the -D flag though; that will cause
IronRuby to emit IL which is debuggable by managed debuggers like VS or mdbg.

~js

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From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [ironruby-core-bounces at
rubyforge.org] on behalf of Shay Friedman [shay.friedman at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:44 PM
To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Visual Ruby / Ruby in Steel ? what''s up?

Thanks guys. I''m really glad you''re enjoying the book!

Regarding a place with all the release differences - currently there
isn''t such a place. I will talk to my editor and maybe we will generate
one soon. However, I don''t think that the Silverlight chapter has a lot
of differences.

Regarding the debugging in VS - should still be working.

Shay.
--------------------------------------------------------
Shay Friedman | Microsoft Visual C#/IronRuby MVP | Author of IronRuby Unleashed
| Sela Technology Center
Blog: http://IronShay.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/ironshay


On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Eduardo Blumenfeld <lists at
ruby-forum.com<mailto:lists at ruby-forum.com>> wrote:
I just received a reply from Huw Collingbourne
from ShappireSteel (the makes of Ruby in Steel)
about the support for VS 2010:

----------------------
Ruby In Steel 1.5 supports VS2008 and 2005 only. We will have more to
say about VS2010 later this summer and will post information on our
Blog.

best wishes

Huw
----------------------

Shay:
I got your book four weeks ago.
It is great!!!

Thanks,

Eduardo Blumenfeld

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Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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When I work with XAML I use Blend instead of VS, so I''m already used to
switch tools and use the best one for each thing. I would suggest that if
that''s feasable (e.g. you already have a Blend license or are willing
to
spend money in one).
I think some support for basic stuff would come handy (like the one from
VS), but I think that would be a low priority for RubyMine.





On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Roger Sperberg <lists at
ruby-forum.com>wrote:
> Miguel Madero wrote:
> > One question, what sort of Xaml/IR integration are you looking at?
>
> First, what Shay Friedman says in talking about IDE''s in
"IronRuby
> Unleashed" on page 37: "the ability to run IronRuby
directly" from its
> interface.
>
> And secondly, what my colleague(s) show me with VS and C# ? automatic
> creation of code-behind files and placeholder code when creating a
> project and when adding objects (like buttons) to XAML.
>
>
> Eduardo Blumenfeld wrote:
> > I would like to add to the list of questions whether Ruby in Steel
does
> > have support to Visual Studio 2010 (regardless of the fact that for
now
> > they don''t support ironruby).
>
> This is also a question I have, and I''m glad you brought it up,
Eduardo.
>
> If I were to purchase Ruby in Steel text edition (I won''t be doing
any
> Rails work), I''d be working with one of the no-charge Express
editions
> of VS and other considerations make the 2010 version preferable for our
> project.
>
>
> Shay Friedman wrote:
> >I have instructions how to do that in my book and I''ve found
out that
> >you can get it for free on Amazon (should I even say that? eh whatever)
-
> > ...
> >
> >One thing to notice - RubyMine is not free, but I think it worth the
> >money.
>
> Your book is worth the money too. I purchased it a week ago and am glad
> I did.
>
> I wonder ? are there updates online to account for differences in the
> release version from the pre-release version the book was written from?
> I''m thinking particularly of chapter 16 on Silverlight.
>
> I''m defintely tilted toward VS right now as an IDE, because I can
get
> things explained by people I work with who use it. But I wonder: Does
> RubyMine work well with XAML?
>
> And I followed the link to ironshay.com in your signature, which led me
> to the post from Dec 2008 on using VS to debug and run IronRuby code[1].
> Does that still work? I''ll be trying it out after I get off work.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roger
>
>
> [1]
>
>
http://www.ironshay.com/post/how-to-debug-and-run-ironruby-code-from-visual-studio.aspx
>
> --
>  Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>


-- 
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www.miguelmadero.com (blog)
me at miguelmadero.com
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