Ironruby core - Aug 2008 - Any one working on...C# to IronRuby Converter...?

Hello,

We have C# to Vb.Net and Vb.Net to C# converter at the moment.

This make our life as a programmer more easy.

Just wondering, if any one is working or thinking to implement a
Converter that deals with C# to IronRuby  and vice versa

Thanks
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Web Reservoir wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We have C# to Vb.Net and Vb.Net to C# converter at the moment.
>
> This make our life as a programmer more easy.
>
> Just wondering, if any one is working or thinking to implement a
> Converter that deals with C# to IronRuby  and vice versa
>
> Thanks
>   
There''s already "Instant Python" which does C# to IronPython
translation.

http://tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/Product_Details/Instant_Python_CSharp_Edition/Instant_Python_CSharp_Edition.htm

A Ruby version is probably *possible*...

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Michael Foord wrote:
>
http://tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/Product_Details/Instant_Python_CSharp_Edition/Instant_Python_CSharp_Edition.htm
> 
> A Ruby version is probably *possible*...
> 
Hi,

They have discontinued the Product and the development, so now there is 
no such tool available as such.

Lets see, when we get such thing for IronRuby now.

C# to IronRuby converter is a must in a near future, and this project 
should be taken seriously.
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When would you want to use such a converter? I mean what are use cases?

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Michael Foord wrote:
>
http://tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/Product_Details/Instant_Python_CSharp_Edition/Instant_Python_CSharp_Edition.htm
>
> A Ruby version is probably *possible*...
>
Hi,

They have discontinued the Product and the development, so now there is
no such tool available as such.

Lets see, when we get such thing for IronRuby now.

C# to IronRuby converter is a must in a near future, and this project
should be taken seriously.
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Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
> When would you want to use such a converter? I mean what are use cases?
> 
> --
> Oleg
There are plenty of Starter Kits available in Vb.Net and C#. While 
IronRuby is still emerging.

Now there will be lots of migration from Asp.Net web forms to Asp.Net 
MVC as well. Rather than converting code from C# to IronRuby, it would 
be better to have a converter like this to make the progress more 
faster.

A Converter like this can be used at many places, this is just one 
example.


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Would a converter even be worth it? The last time I tried to use one, the code
was worthless, and had to be rewritten anyway.

A, probably better, option would be for someone to write some starter kits that
could be distributed with IronRuby. I know I would appreciate it.

JD

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Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
> When would you want to use such a converter? I mean what are use cases?
>
> --
> Oleg
There are plenty of Starter Kits available in Vb.Net and C#. While
IronRuby is still emerging.

Now there will be lots of migration from Asp.Net web forms to Asp.Net
MVC as well. Rather than converting code from C# to IronRuby, it would
be better to have a converter like this to make the progress more
faster.

A Converter like this can be used at many places, this is just one
example.


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2008/8/6 Jim Deville <jdeville at microsoft.com>:
> Would a converter even be worth it? The last time I tried to use one, the
code was worthless, and had to be rewritten anyway.
Well, for some codes full of simple if-then-else, such converters can
be useful. Usefulness of cross-language converters are limited in
general though.

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I''ve never found converters to be useful either.  They generally
don''t
result in code that takes advantage of the language which you''re
converting
to and as such many of the idioms for the particular language are lost in
the "translation".  This typically results in people getting a bad
flavor
for a language and having a poor initial impression.

I recognize that my feelings on this matter are likely skewed due to me
using poor converters in the past, but, nonetheless, I''m very
skeptical.

+1 on someone creating starter kits from scratch to show the
power/usefulness of IronRuby :)

Cheers,
Steve

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:46 AM, Sanghyeon Seo <sanxiyn at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 2008/8/6 Jim Deville <jdeville at microsoft.com>:
> > Would a converter even be worth it? The last time I tried to use one,
the
> code was worthless, and had to be rewritten anyway.
>
> Well, for some codes full of simple if-then-else, such converters can
> be useful. Usefulness of cross-language converters are limited in
> general though.
>
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Well, language converters might be useful sometimes:

1.       When you have huge codebase in some language (usually an old one) and
having trouble find people to maintain it (think Cobol payroll system written 30
years ago)

2.       When you have huge codebase on some very expensive platform/system and
want to cut costs by switching to open platform/system

3.       When you are very good at one language and want to use it for something
it wasn''t designed for (think GWT aka Java to Javascript translator)

I''ve been working for years in a company that makes millions doing
points 1 and 2.
I''m not sure how useful C# to Ruby compiler would be though. Starter
kits'' goal is to demonstrate the language abilities and converted code
can be really ugly so that probably bad idea.
Migration to ASP.NET MVC is interesting point. What else?
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From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at
rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Steve Eichert
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:58 AM
To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Any one working on...C# to IronRuby Converter...?

I''ve never found converters to be useful either.  They generally
don''t result in code that takes advantage of the language which
you''re converting to and as such many of the idioms for the particular
language are lost in the "translation".  This typically results in
people getting a bad flavor for a language and having a poor initial impression.

I recognize that my feelings on this matter are likely skewed due to me using
poor converters in the past, but, nonetheless, I''m very skeptical.

+1 on someone creating starter kits from scratch to show the power/usefulness of
IronRuby :)

Cheers,
Steve
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:46 AM, Sanghyeon Seo <sanxiyn at
gmail.com<mailto:sanxiyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
2008/8/6 Jim Deville <jdeville at microsoft.com<mailto:jdeville at
microsoft.com>>:
> Would a converter even be worth it? The last time I tried to use one, the
code was worthless, and had to be rewritten anyway.
Well, for some codes full of simple if-then-else, such converters can
be useful. Usefulness of cross-language converters are limited in
general though.

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On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:59:46 -0600, Oleg Tkachenko <olegtk at
microsoft.com>
wrote:
> Migration to ASP.NET MVC is interesting point. What else?
Migration to XSLT 2.0?  You know, the language God intended for us all to  
code in. ;-) (Come on, Oleg!  If anybody can get MSFT to develop an XSLT  
2.0 processor it''s you! :D)

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