Instiki users - Mar 2007 - Instiki-OSX-Package: Ruby and Instiki prerequisites installer on OSX

oleg kourapov wanted to create packages for instiki on osx for the
current 0.11rc1 and also for the upcoming 0.12 version. unfortunately
we ran into problems, since osx has ruby 1.8.2 packaged, but rails
depends on ruby 1.8.4 and the readline library, as well as swig is
broken on OSX Tiger.

we are searching for a one-click-way to get all the prerequisites for
instiki installed, without the need of installing apple XCODE-tools,
which most of the "normal users" don''t have installed for
sure.
the current idea is, to have a link to a ruby-osx-installer-package
that includes all the needed libraries for instiki on osx. sadly there
seems to be no such package existing.
i opened i thread in the entropy.ch discussion forums, those guys had
a ruby installer before but not since ruby 1.8.2 is packaged in osx.

http://www.entropy.ch/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=10086#10086

maybe someone on this list has a better idea or knows of such a
package out there. we need to get "Chuckle? There Is No Step Three" or
at least the 3 step-installation back on osx ;)

-matthias

Have you guys looked at Locomotive and the appropriate Locomotive  
Rails bundle for the Ruby/Rails support?  That should give fully  
encapsulated ruby support (i.e. it won''t interfere with any existing  
system installations).  I wouldn''t think it would be a big deal to  
use these components to create a single installer for Instiki on OS X.

FWIW, Rails doesn''t have any deep dependency on readline; it just  
needs it for script/console to work.  It''s nice to support, but
it''s
also trivial to remove.  In script/console, where it builds up the  
irb command line, remove the completion require argument: "-r irb/ 
completion".

-- John

On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Matthias Tarasiewicz wrote:
> oleg kourapov wanted to create packages for instiki on osx for the
> current 0.11rc1 and also for the upcoming 0.12 version. unfortunately
> we ran into problems, since osx has ruby 1.8.2 packaged, but rails
> depends on ruby 1.8.4 and the readline library, as well as swig is
> broken on OSX Tiger.
>
> we are searching for a one-click-way to get all the prerequisites for
> instiki installed, without the need of installing apple XCODE-tools,
> which most of the "normal users" don''t have installed
for sure.
> the current idea is, to have a link to a ruby-osx-installer-package
> that includes all the needed libraries for instiki on osx. sadly there
> seems to be no such package existing.
> i opened i thread in the entropy.ch discussion forums, those guys had
> a ruby installer before but not since ruby 1.8.2 is packaged in osx.
>
> http://www.entropy.ch/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=10086#10086
>
> maybe someone on this list has a better idea or knows of such a
> package out there. we need to get "Chuckle? There Is No Step
Three" or
> at least the 3 step-installation back on osx ;)
>
> -matthias
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> Instiki-devel mailing list
> Instiki-devel at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-devel

hi john!
yes, i looked at locomotive! the main problem with locomotive is, that
it is really big and not for end-users. you would have to start
locomotive, inside locomotive start instiki. thats too much to ask
from end-users. i am searching for some kind of one-click-installer
for osx. a small osx package that includes the broken dependencies for
sqlite on osx.

we found the following 2 packages existing for osx, but still they
don''t meet our needs.
http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/ruby-universal/
http://mail.madstop.com/pipermail/puppet-users/2006-August/000106.html

what would be missing is sqlite3 which is not included in those
packages. the swig sqlite3 dependency should not exist anymore, so
having a ruby installer with sqlite3 should do the trick.
i''m actually wondering why there is no "official" ruby osx
package.

On 3/16/07, John Whitley <whitley at acm.org>
wrote:
> Have you guys looked at Locomotive and the appropriate Locomotive
> Rails bundle for the Ruby/Rails support?  That should give fully
> encapsulated ruby support (i.e. it won''t interfere with any
existing
> system installations).  I wouldn''t think it would be a big deal to
> use these components to create a single installer for Instiki on OS X.
>
> FWIW, Rails doesn''t have any deep dependency on readline; it just
> needs it for script/console to work.  It''s nice to support, but
it''s
> also trivial to remove.  In script/console, where it builds up the
> irb command line, remove the completion require argument: "-r irb/
> completion".
>
> -- John
>
> On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Matthias Tarasiewicz wrote:
>
> > oleg kourapov wanted to create packages for instiki on osx for the
> > current 0.11rc1 and also for the upcoming 0.12 version. unfortunately
> > we ran into problems, since osx has ruby 1.8.2 packaged, but rails
> > depends on ruby 1.8.4 and the readline library, as well as swig is
> > broken on OSX Tiger.
> >
> > we are searching for a one-click-way to get all the prerequisites for
> > instiki installed, without the need of installing apple XCODE-tools,
> > which most of the "normal users" don''t have
installed for sure.
> > the current idea is, to have a link to a ruby-osx-installer-package
> > that includes all the needed libraries for instiki on osx. sadly there
> > seems to be no such package existing.
> > i opened i thread in the entropy.ch discussion forums, those guys had
> > a ruby installer before but not since ruby 1.8.2 is packaged in osx.
> >
> > http://www.entropy.ch/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=10086#10086
> >
> > maybe someone on this list has a better idea or knows of such a
> > package out there. we need to get "Chuckle? There Is No Step
Three" or
> > at least the 3 step-installation back on osx ;)
> >
> > -matthias

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matthias Tarasiewicz <parasew at gmail.com>
Date: Mar 19, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Instiki-devel] Instiki-OSX-Package: Ruby and Instiki
prerequisites installer on OSX
To: instiki-devel at rubyforge.org
Cc: Oleg Kourapov <mobistyle at gmail.com>


hi john!
yes, i looked at locomotive! the main problem with locomotive is, that
it is really big and not for end-users. you would have to start
locomotive, inside locomotive start instiki. thats too much to ask
from end-users. i am searching for some kind of one-click-installer
for osx. a small osx package that includes the broken dependencies for
sqlite on osx.

we found the following 2 packages existing for osx, but still they
don''t meet our needs.
http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/ruby-universal/
http://mail.madstop.com/pipermail/puppet-users/2006-August/000106.html

what would be missing is sqlite3 which is not included in those
packages. the swig sqlite3 dependency should not exist anymore, so
having a ruby installer with sqlite3 should do the trick.
i''m actually wondering why there is no "official" ruby osx
package.

On 3/16/07, John Whitley <whitley at acm.org>
wrote:
> Have you guys looked at Locomotive and the appropriate Locomotive
> Rails bundle for the Ruby/Rails support?  That should give fully
> encapsulated ruby support (i.e. it won''t interfere with any
existing
> system installations).  I wouldn''t think it would be a big deal to
> use these components to create a single installer for Instiki on OS X.
>
> FWIW, Rails doesn''t have any deep dependency on readline; it just
> needs it for script/console to work.  It''s nice to support, but
it''s
> also trivial to remove.  In script/console, where it builds up the
> irb command line, remove the completion require argument: "-r irb/
> completion".
>
> -- John
>
> On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Matthias Tarasiewicz wrote:
>
> > oleg kourapov wanted to create packages for instiki on osx for the
> > current 0.11rc1 and also for the upcoming 0.12 version. unfortunately
> > we ran into problems, since osx has ruby 1.8.2 packaged, but rails
> > depends on ruby 1.8.4 and the readline library, as well as swig is
> > broken on OSX Tiger.
> >
> > we are searching for a one-click-way to get all the prerequisites for
> > instiki installed, without the need of installing apple XCODE-tools,
> > which most of the "normal users" don''t have
installed for sure.
> > the current idea is, to have a link to a ruby-osx-installer-package
> > that includes all the needed libraries for instiki on osx. sadly there
> > seems to be no such package existing.
> > i opened i thread in the entropy.ch discussion forums, those guys had
> > a ruby installer before but not since ruby 1.8.2 is packaged in osx.
> >
> > http://www.entropy.ch/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=10086#10086
> >
> > maybe someone on this list has a better idea or knows of such a
> > package out there. we need to get "Chuckle? There Is No Step
Three" or
> > at least the 3 step-installation back on osx ;)
> >
> > -matthias

On 3/19/07, Matthias Tarasiewicz <parasew at gmail.com>
wrote:
> i''m actually wondering why there is no "official" ruby
osx package.
There is. It''s the one supplied by Apple. Unfortunately, they
haven''t
updated it since Ruby 1.8.2. If you think that''s unacceptable, perhaps
you should send feedback to Apple.

(Since Rails is reportedly being shipped as part of OS X 10.5, I''ve a
feeling they will do a better job of keeping up-to-date in future.
Then again, Perl and Python are also pretty old on OS X.)


mathew
-- 
<URL:http://www.pobox.com/~meta/>

Matthias Tarasiewicz wrote:
> yes, i looked at locomotive! the main problem with locomotive is, that
> it is really big and not for end-users.
I completely agree.  What I was trying to get at was reusing and  
modifying parts of the Locomotive source and some of the existing  
bundles to help create an Instiki installer.  Something like this:

1) Modified Locomotive + ruby core (replace Locomotive.app w/  
Instiki.app)
2) An existing Rails 1.x locomotive bundle
3) An Instiki bundle

Seems like they''ve got the build and packaging infrastructure worked  
out already -- everything is self contained within the .app bundle.

But back to the original point: exactly what components are needed at  
this point to get the OS X installer ready?  Just a Universal build  
of Ruby 1.8.5?

-- John

hello john, i was working on an osx-universal binary installer for
ruby+sqlite, hope i can release it soon.
http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyosx/

in the meanwhile i wanted to ask you to submit your patches to the
main instiki codebase, if you find some time. i want to release
version 0.12 pretty soon.

your svn user and password:
johnwhitley
Le7kipoo

you can login in the trac on dev.instiki.org or checkout from svn from
svn co http://svn.instiki.org/instiki/trunk instiki

tell me if everything works for you!

regards,
matthias


On 3/20/07, John Whitley <whitley at acm.org>
wrote:
> Matthias Tarasiewicz wrote:
> > yes, i looked at locomotive! the main problem with locomotive is, that
> > it is really big and not for end-users.
>
> I completely agree.  What I was trying to get at was reusing and
> modifying parts of the Locomotive source and some of the existing
> bundles to help create an Instiki installer.  Something like this:
>
> 1) Modified Locomotive + ruby core (replace Locomotive.app w/
> Instiki.app)
> 2) An existing Rails 1.x locomotive bundle
> 3) An Instiki bundle
>
> Seems like they''ve got the build and packaging infrastructure
worked
> out already -- everything is self contained within the .app bundle.
>
> But back to the original point: exactly what components are needed at
> this point to get the OS X installer ready?  Just a Universal build
> of Ruby 1.8.5?
>
> -- John
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-devel mailing list
> Instiki-devel at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-devel
>

the mail was mistakenly sent to the whole list. sorry ''bout that. the
password has been changed.

On 4/8/07, Matthias Tarasiewicz <parasew at gmail.com>
wrote:
> hello john, i was working on an osx-universal binary installer for
> ruby+sqlite, hope i can release it soon.
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyosx/
>
> in the meanwhile i wanted to ask you to submit your patches to the
> main instiki codebase, if you find some time. i want to release
> version 0.12 pretty soon.
>
> your svn user and password:
> johnwhitley
> Le7kipoo
>
> you can login in the trac on dev.instiki.org or checkout from svn from
> svn co http://svn.instiki.org/instiki/trunk instiki
>
> tell me if everything works for you!
>
> regards,
> matthias
>
>
> On 3/20/07, John Whitley <whitley at acm.org> wrote:
> > Matthias Tarasiewicz wrote:
> > > yes, i looked at locomotive! the main problem with locomotive is,
that
> > > it is really big and not for end-users.
> >
> > I completely agree.  What I was trying to get at was reusing and
> > modifying parts of the Locomotive source and some of the existing
> > bundles to help create an Instiki installer.  Something like this:
> >
> > 1) Modified Locomotive + ruby core (replace Locomotive.app w/
> > Instiki.app)
> > 2) An existing Rails 1.x locomotive bundle
> > 3) An Instiki bundle
> >
> > Seems like they''ve got the build and packaging infrastructure
worked
> > out already -- everything is self contained within the .app bundle.
> >
> > But back to the original point: exactly what components are needed at
> > this point to get the OS X installer ready?  Just a Universal build
> > of Ruby 1.8.5?
> >
> > -- John
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Instiki-devel mailing list
> > Instiki-devel at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-devel
> >
>