It is with a little intrepidation that I ask this question, because I sense that what I am about to ask might push some buttons, or perhaps bring back some unpleasant memories of those who have asked what I am going to ask in a less tactful manner. I find that the beastie that appears at boot time with FreeBSD 5.3 mildly bothers me. It is possible for me to edit boot/beastie.4th, but this gets put back each time I do make installworld. Would it be possible to add a variable "show_beastie" to be put in /boot/loader.conf, which would default to "YES", but users could add in show_beastie="NO" if they didn't want it, but only want the menu. I am sure that this is a sensitive subject with you guys, because I know that you have no intention of associating FreeBSD with satanism or anything like that. It is not my intention to apply any kind of label of evil to you guys, indeed I find FreeBSD to be a very fine operating system, and I use it all the time. But the symbol which is commonly associated with the devil does cause me some discomfort, and for example, if I were to install some kind of server for my church, I think that it would bother them as well. I know that the the symbol of the beastie is strongly associated with FreeBSD, and that it would be grossly unfair for me to ask for it to be removed just because of my personal discomfort. That is why I am proposing the solution above. I think that it would be easy to implement by anyone who knows Forth (presuming that the loader.conf variables are known to the beastie.4th program), and that this would not interfere at all with those who don't mind or enjoy the beastie, but it would also help people like me in an unobtrusive manner. Best, Stephen
On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 07:16:12PM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:> It is with a little intrepidation that I ask this question, because I > sense that what I am about to ask might push some buttons, or perhaps > bring back some unpleasant memories of those who have asked what I am > going to ask in a less tactful manner. > > I find that the beastie that appears at boot time with FreeBSD 5.3 > mildly bothers me. It is possible for me to edit boot/beastie.4th, but > this gets put back each time I do make installworld. > > Would it be possible to add a variable "show_beastie" to be put in > /boot/loader.conf, which would default to "YES", but users could add in > show_beastie="NO" if they didn't want it, but only want the menu.That option is already there, you didn't look hard enough. Kris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/attachments/20041128/f951c934/attachment.bin
On 11/28/04 19:16, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:> It is with a little intrepidation that I ask this question, because I > sense that what I am about to ask might push some buttons, or perhaps > bring back some unpleasant memories of those who have asked what I am > going to ask in a less tactful manner. > > I find that the beastie that appears at boot time with FreeBSD 5.3 > mildly bothers me. It is possible for me to edit boot/beastie.4th, but > this gets put back each time I do make installworld. > > Would it be possible to add a variable "show_beastie" to be put in > /boot/loader.conf, which would default to "YES", but users could add in > show_beastie="NO" if they didn't want it, but only want the menu. > > I am sure that this is a sensitive subject with you guys, because I know > that you have no intention of associating FreeBSD with satanism or > anything like that. It is not my intention to apply any kind of label > of evil to you guys, indeed I find FreeBSD to be a very fine operating > system, and I use it all the time. But the symbol which is commonly > associated with the devil does cause me some discomfort, and for > example, if I were to install some kind of server for my church, I think > that it would bother them as well. > > I know that the the symbol of the beastie is strongly associated with > FreeBSD, and that it would be grossly unfair for me to ask for it to be > removed just because of my personal discomfort. > > That is why I am proposing the solution above. I think that it would be > easy to implement by anyone who knows Forth (presuming that the > loader.conf variables are known to the beastie.4th program), and that > this would not interfere at all with those who don't mind or enjoy the > beastie, but it would also help people like me in an unobtrusive manner.Throw 'beastie_disable="YES"' into /boot/loader.conf. Jon
Add the following to /boot/loader.conf: beastie_disable=YES You can also remove the following lines from /boot/loader.4th: \ Load in the boot menu include /boot/beastie.4th \ Start the boot menu beastie-start Scott Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:> It is with a little intrepidation that I ask this question, because I > sense that what I am about to ask might push some buttons, or perhaps > bring back some unpleasant memories of those who have asked what I am > going to ask in a less tactful manner. > > I find that the beastie that appears at boot time with FreeBSD 5.3 > mildly bothers me. It is possible for me to edit boot/beastie.4th, but > this gets put back each time I do make installworld. > > Would it be possible to add a variable "show_beastie" to be put in > /boot/loader.conf, which would default to "YES", but users could add in > show_beastie="NO" if they didn't want it, but only want the menu. > > I am sure that this is a sensitive subject with you guys, because I know > that you have no intention of associating FreeBSD with satanism or > anything like that. It is not my intention to apply any kind of label > of evil to you guys, indeed I find FreeBSD to be a very fine operating > system, and I use it all the time. But the symbol which is commonly > associated with the devil does cause me some discomfort, and for > example, if I were to install some kind of server for my church, I think > that it would bother them as well. > > I know that the the symbol of the beastie is strongly associated with > FreeBSD, and that it would be grossly unfair for me to ask for it to be > removed just because of my personal discomfort. > > That is why I am proposing the solution above. I think that it would be > easy to implement by anyone who knows Forth (presuming that the > loader.conf variables are known to the beastie.4th program), and that > this would not interfere at all with those who don't mind or enjoy the > beastie, but it would also help people like me in an unobtrusive manner. > > Best, Stephen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
Stephen, I quite agree that you have a good idea. I do not mind the beastie myself, either, but I am working at an Episcopal Church (I am not yet clergy, but close to it) and some of my people would flip if they saw it, just as my wife did when she saw it (she is a Lutheran Pastor). It would be really nice to have an easy way out of the beastie. Say a blessing or something.... Bill Isakson PhysicalChemist@aol.com (well, yes, I am that, too.) In a message dated 11/28/04 5:17:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, stephen@math.missouri.edu writes:> It is with a little intrepidation that I ask this question, because I > sense that what I am about to ask might push some buttons, or perhaps > bring back some unpleasant memories of those who have asked what I am > going to ask in a less tactful manner. > > I find that the beastie that appears at boot time with FreeBSD 5.3 > mildly bothers me. It is possible for me to edit boot/beastie.4th, but > this gets put back each time I do make installworld. > > Would it be possible to add a variable "show_beastie" to be put in > /boot/loader.conf, which would default to "YES", but users could add in > show_beastie="NO" if they didn't want it, but only want the menu. > > I am sure that this is a sensitive subject with you guys, because I know > that you have no intention of associating FreeBSD with satanism or > anything like that. It is not my intention to apply any kind of label > of evil to you guys, indeed I find FreeBSD to be a very fine operating > system, and I use it all the time. But the symbol which is commonly > associated with the devil does cause me some discomfort, and for > example, if I were to install some kind of server for my church, I think > that it would bother them as well. > > I know that the the symbol of the beastie is strongly associated with > FreeBSD, and that it would be grossly unfair for me to ask for it to be > removed just because of my personal discomfort. > > That is why I am proposing the solution above. I think that it would be > easy to implement by anyone who knows Forth (presuming that the > loader.conf variables are known to the beastie.4th program), and that > this would not interfere at all with those who don't mind or enjoy the > beastie, but it would also help people like me in an unobtrusive manner. > > Best, Stephen > _______________________________________________
On Nov 28 at 19:16, Stephen Montgomery-Smith spoke:> Would it be possible to add a variable "show_beastie" to be put in > /boot/loader.conf, which would default to "YES", but users could add in > show_beastie="NO" if they didn't want it, but only want the menu.If you would like the menu appear but not the Beastie picture you might consider this patch: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=70231 But please be aware that this patch is not compatible with the majority of FreeBSD developers. You will rebuild the whole base system, won't you? If not, cd /boot && patch -p4. -Hanspeter
Hanspeter Roth wrote:> > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=70231I would much prefer seeing this patch getting committed after instead of completely disabling the bootmenu as recently committed. -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org
Hanspeter Roth wrote:> > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=70231I would much prefer seeing this patch getting committed instead of completely disabling the bootmenu as recently committed. -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org
On Nov 29 at 10:28, Michael Nottebrock spoke:> Hanspeter Roth wrote: > > > >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=70231 > > I would much prefer seeing this patch getting committed after instead of > completely disabling the bootmenu as recently committed.The problem here is, that the Beastie picture is disabled by default. This is obviously not compatible with the majority of people. I intend to submit a more conservative patch, maybe this evening. -Hanspeter
Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:> It is with a little intrepidation that I ask this question, because I > sense that what I am about to ask might push some buttons, or perhaps > bring back some unpleasant memories of those who have asked what I am > going to ask in a less tactful manner. > > I find that the beastie that appears at boot time with FreeBSD 5.3 > mildly bothers me. It is possible for me to edit boot/beastie.4th, > but this gets put back each time I do make installworld. > > Would it be possible to add a variable "show_beastie" to be put in > /boot/loader.conf, which would default to "YES", but users could add > in show_beastie="NO" if they didn't want it, but only want the menu. > > I am sure that this is a sensitive subject with you guys, because I > know that you have no intention of associating FreeBSD with satanism > or anything like that. It is not my intention to apply any kind of > label of evil to you guys, indeed I find FreeBSD to be a very fine > operating system, and I use it all the time. But the symbol which is > commonly associated with the devil does cause me some discomfort, and > for example, if I were to install some kind of server for my church, I > think that it would bother them as well. > > I know that the the symbol of the beastie is strongly associated with > FreeBSD, and that it would be grossly unfair for me to ask for it to > be removed just because of my personal discomfort. > > That is why I am proposing the solution above. I think that it would > be easy to implement by anyone who knows Forth (presuming that the > loader.conf variables are known to the beastie.4th program), and that > this would not interfere at all with those who don't mind or enjoy the > beastie, but it would also help people like me in an unobtrusive manner. > > Best, Stephen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >Hi, just had to comment on a related matter to this. I was talking to my doctor who is a rabbid christian. The subject came to browsers and I said "Why don't you try Mozilla?" His reply was "...I am a Christian..." Was the first time I have known of anyone being offended by a dragon ion. LOL. I forgot to tell him that he could change it to something he liked better. But it gives me shivers of joy just knowing how offensive free Unix is. Rob .
Randy Bush wrote:> the cheering point is that the fools then run internet exploder. > then darwin, who i suspect they also fear, gets his revenge! > > but i have an actual technical question. i like the beastie. > and i have her enabled. but how do i get her in color? > > randy >loader_color="YES" >> /boot/loader.conf Scott