Has anyone out there performed any meaningful comparisons between the Digium E1 cards and the Sangoma cards? The Sangoma website claims some benefits (reduced CPU usage, etc. etc.) that seem appealing. I'd like to hear of anyone who has used them, spoecifically in Australian conditions. Is there anyone in Australia selling them? Do they carry the A-Tick?
Technically speaking not. But Sangoma's support seems to be pretty much better. Isamar On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Rod Bacon wrote:> Has anyone out there performed any meaningful comparisons between the > Digium E1 cards and the Sangoma cards? The Sangoma website claims some > benefits (reduced CPU usage, etc. etc.) that seem appealing. > > I'd like to hear of anyone who has used them, spoecifically in > Australian conditions. Is there anyone in Australia selling them? Do > they carry the A-Tick? > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
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Hello, We have been testing a Sangoma quad T1 card here for the last few months, not in production yet. There are a few issues with non-PRI T1s connected to it(Robbed-bit RBS) and it just plain doesn't work with D4/AMI signalling. But if you have only PRI circuits then yes it does use less CPU and less interrupts. Once our testing is done we will post a full review on the list, but there are still some things that we have to iron out since we still use RBS T1s at our locations. Two things to keep in mind about Sangoma, they do not actively support Asterisk development and they have not done exhaustive testing with anything but PRI circuits. With Digium, part of the purchase price goes to Asterisk development and they have done extensive testing on all kinds of telco circuits. MATT--- -----Original Message----- From: Rod Bacon [mailto:rod.bacon@empoweredcomms.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:14 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium Has anyone out there performed any meaningful comparisons between the Digium E1 cards and the Sangoma cards? The Sangoma website claims some benefits (reduced CPU usage, etc. etc.) that seem appealing. I'd like to hear of anyone who has used them, spoecifically in Australian conditions. Is there anyone in Australia selling them? Do they carry the A-Tick? _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
I have had some experience with the Sangoma product in a domestic production environment and found it works very well. Sangoma seems to "get it" when it comes to the potential of Asterisk, and I think you'll be seeing big things from them in the future. I unfortunately was not able to attend a recent Sangoma event in Toronto due to a last minute conflict (Doug if you're reading this I'm sorry I missed it) or I might have had some more interesting news to share. They are competetively priced and their hardware seems to do more of the heavy lifting and utilize less system resource, which I would imagine would contribute to overall system stability. Product is also nicely retail packaged which is a bonus. From a service and support standpoint they have been excellent to work with as well. For the die hard Digium folks out there, if nothing else, some competition in the marketplace usually breeds innovation. My 2 cents.... Cory Andrews Senior Partner +++++++++++ VOIPSupply.com A Subsidiary of b2 Technologies +++++++++++ voice - 800.398.VOIP X22 fax - 716.630.1548 email - Cory@VOIPSupply.com Rod Bacon wrote:> Has anyone out there performed any meaningful comparisons between the > Digium E1 cards and the Sangoma cards? The Sangoma website claims some > benefits (reduced CPU usage, etc. etc.) that seem appealing. > > I'd like to hear of anyone who has used them, spoecifically in > Australian conditions. Is there anyone in Australia selling them? Do > they carry the A-Tick? > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >
Hello, I need to correct myself on one of the points I made in my reply last night. As a very polite developer from Sangoma stated to me(with evidence I might add)they have in the past and continue to today contribute code to GPL Asterisk. It doesn't say so on their website but their developers have been bug-checking, patching and contributing new code to Asterisk for some time now. They just started directly giving credit from Sangoma for some of these contributions in the bugtracker starting this week. While it is true that they probably don't have as many full-time dedicated Asterisk developers as Digium does, a portion of a Sangoma AFT card purchase will go towards further development of Asterisk. So you can feel a little less-bad about buying those Sangoma cards now. MATT--- -----Original Message----- From: Brian Capouch [mailto:brianc@palaver.net] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:43 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium Isamar Maia wrote:> Technically speaking not. But Sangoma's support seems to be pretty much > better. >My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. They're glad to use Asterisk as a selling point for their hardware, but unwilling to donate anything back to the Asterisk community. I'll be glad to stand corrected, but if that assertion is in fact true, we should be careful to do things that actually damage Digium's ability to leverage their development of Asterisk with their hardware sales. FWIW. b. _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Capouch [mailto:brianc@palaver.net]> My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma > we're putting the dagger to Digium.If anything "puts the dagger" to Digium it'll be their own inability to engineer reliable hardware. I appreciate what Digium has done for Asterisk, but reliability expectations for phone equipment are extremely high. I sympathize with people who need hardware that doesn't need to be restarted once a week just to do its job properly. If Digium can't deliver on those reliability expectations, and do it soon, people are going to switch to companies that can. And you know what? I don't blame them.
Here's an idea, Digium buys Sangoma with the massive amounts of cash they are getting from venture capitalists and just integrate Sangoma designs into their boards. Not sure how Sangoma would feel about this idea though. MATT--- -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Boehm [mailto:mboehm@cytelcom.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:30 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium Brian Capouch wrote:> I'll be glad to stand corrected, but if that assertion is in fact > true, we should be careful to do things that actually damage Digium's > ability to leverage their development of Asterisk with their hardware > sales.It sucks that its such a fine line. On the one had, it is good to have competition. Keeps prices in check, and gets new features out faster. But on the other hand, yes, buying from someone else may say to Digium "well, I guess we can stop now that they are buying someone elses cards." -Matthew _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> -----Original Message----- > From: Zoa [mailto:zoachien@securax.org]> I didnt have to do a single restart in about 2 million calls on te4xpp > so far.I'm happy for you. But my TDM04B will stop responding after about two weeks, even if there are zero calls during that time. I found that out when I set up my test server. Currently, I have a script that shuts down Asterisk once a week, unloads the modules, then reloads everything. That keeps things in line, but it's a band-aid, not a fix. Currently, if I were looking to buy any sort of phone card, TDM or otherwise, Digium would not be my first choice. I also could not, in good conscience, recommend their products to other people.
Well this takes up to the core issues of many open source developments. Basically, Digium makes money from selling hardware and support services. Competition on the hardware side should be fine as long as the Competition is responsible to the open source community by re-investing a portion of the proceeds to the further development of the software. Digium benefits from this in that they are not the sole supply of business development on the software and in this case Sangoma brings a history of quality products and this should gather more potential users of the software. This might drive Digium out of the market for hardware, but what Sangoma lacks is the support services for the software. While this may seem like a bad thing for Digium to get out of the business of making and selling hardware, it would allow them to focus more on the services and development side. As long as they gain an appropriate level of new business on the support side, they should do ok. Plus add to the table that now Sangoma has a vested interest in seeing Digium do well as a company as if for any reason they stop development of their software, people wouldn't be driven to buy the Sangoma Hardware. Following this trend, Card manufacturers could actually set a level of product price to be paid to Digium for additional software development if they were unable/unwilling to do the work themselves. I doubt that Digium makes huge profits on their sales of hardware as the numbers of manufacturing runs must drive up their cost. Sangoma has the contacts and existing product lines to support quality manufacturing. What is more worrisome would be a Alternative card that cuts it sales price at the sacrifice to the community. It would be easy for a Board Manufacturer to clone the Digium or Sangoma design and flood the market with cards. Not funneling money back into the project would cripple or destroy the project. As a responsible participant of the project it is important to be aware of the policies of the companies of the products you buy. Disclaimer: This is my humble opinions only. This is how I view the changing market that Digium has to face, from what I know of them they are capable of taking these changes in stride and do quite well. Chad C. Wicker Systems Engineer Petrocom>>> mboehm@cytelcom.com 3/31/2005 9:30:27 AM >>>Brian Capouch wrote:> I'll be glad to stand corrected, but if that assertion is in fact > true, we should be careful to do things that actually damageDigium's> ability to leverage their development of Asterisk with theirhardware> sales.It sucks that its such a fine line. On the one had, it is good to have competition. Keeps prices in check, and gets new features out faster. But on the other hand, yes, buying from someone else may say to Digium "well, I guess we can stop now that they are buying someone elses cards." -Matthew _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Err - not in Australia at the moment but all of Australia uses ETSI - BRI Cheers, Dean -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of steve@daviesfam.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:01 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Steve Underwood wrote:> Eric Bishop wrote: > > >True. I think Digium's USA bias is clearly demonstrated by their lack > >of a BRI ISDN product. Most of the rest of the world use it in > >abudnace yet Digium do not see fit to service this market because it > >is not big in the US..... very poor... > > > > > And your EU bias is clearly demonstrated by this. I've never seen aBRI> product outside he EU. :-)Err - hello Steve. From Africa. With BRI. Steve _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
present != ship Zoa wrote:> > Yes they do, it was presented at von. Its a little daughterboard for > te4xxp cards. > > Jerry wrote: > >> >> Digium has a hardware echo can?
> -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Adamson [mailto:radamson@routers.com]> I'll jump in here (but I'm not the original poster). The "once a week" > thing relates to the digium TDM card (fxo and/or fxs modules). I don't > believe the T1 cards are an issue that requires driver reloads.I'm the original poster. I probably should have qualified my comments. I have only had experience with the TDM cards. The T1 cards may be a different animal.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Adamson [mailto:radamson@routers.com]> Its an odd thing. Some people have to reload, others don't, and there > has been no effort to determine why it occurs. I've got two systems > that do have to be reloaded regularly. Go figure.These kinds of erratic interoperability problems often speak to a marginal design. If you're a little short on filtering, or your signal levels aren't quite right, or something like that, it's easy to end up in a situation where your product will work great under optimal conditions, but fail erratically out in the field. It's often tempting to blame these failures on the design of other equipment (e.g., motherboards), or on power quality, or on things like that, but those are really just excuses for not providing a more robust product. Whenever I see a product that needs a lengthy "compatibility list" of motherboards that will and will not work with it, I get suspicious that someone is pushing the specs a bit. A simple example of this kind of thing that I'm familiar with is RS-232. As a hobbyist, I've put together various RS-232 interfaces. The RS-232 spec is something like -5 to -15V for a 1, and +5 to +15V for a 0. If you wire up a circult that uses 0V for a 1, and +5V for a 0, you eliminate the need for two power supply voltages, and it'll work great -- with about half the serial ports out there. On the other half, it'll fail miserably.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Olson [mailto:rickaster@gmail.com]> Alright, that helps clarify it a bit, but then again, I have been > running Asterisk at home with a TDM card for a couple months and > haven't had to restart it for a long time. Is it a requirement or just > simply a recomendation?If you haven't had any problems, there's no need to restart. The problem I have is that some modules on the card will simply stop responding. For example, the line connected to an FXO module will ring and ring, without it ever noticing. That's when a restart is necessary. In my case, it seems to happen after a couple of weeks of uptime, so I restart the card once a week on Sunday morning.
Sangoma is a publicly traded company and has a company value of $8 million canadian. I think that would be a small price to pay to absorb a growing competitor, enter a new market(data gateways) and gain many product enhancements. Digium could easily get funding to do this with their current financers. Although I realy don't know what complications would come up with a US-based private company buying a canadian public-traded company. MATT--- -----Original Message----- From: Dana Olson [mailto:rickaster@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:01 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium Do you think Digium has enough money for that? I don't know how large Sangoma is, but they've been around almost as long as I have... I think it'd be a great idea though, if they have the cash for it.. I bet it'd pay off too. On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:00:48 -0500, mattf <mattf@vicimarketing.com> wrote:> Here's an idea, Digium buys Sangoma with the massive amounts of cash they > are getting from venture capitalists and just integrate Sangoma designsinto> their boards. Not sure how Sangoma would feel about this idea though. > > MATT--- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Boehm [mailto:mboehm@cytelcom.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:30 AM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium > > Brian Capouch wrote: > > > I'll be glad to stand corrected, but if that assertion is in fact > > true, we should be careful to do things that actually damage Digium's > > ability to leverage their development of Asterisk with their hardware > > sales. > > It sucks that its such a fine line. On the one had, it is good to have > competition. Keeps prices in check, and gets new features out faster. > > But on the other hand, yes, buying from someone else may say to Digium > "well, I guess we can stop now that they are buying someone elses cards." > > -Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Nelson [mailto:sbn@thermeon.com]> Perhaps you have an earlier hardware revision than I do; I also have > never rebooted the system. I have two TDM04Bs.If so, they must have sold me old stock. I bought the cards less than two months ago.
David Brodbeck wrote:>>-----Original Message----- >>From: Scott Nelson [mailto:sbn@thermeon.com] > > >>Perhaps you have an earlier hardware revision than I do; I also have >>never rebooted the system. I have two TDM04Bs. > > > If so, they must have sold me old stock. I bought the cards less than two > months ago.This is about the timeframe new FXO modules were released. Next time an FXO stops responding, stop asterisk and do a register dump of the offending module fxstest /dev/zap/1 regdump will show you the contents of all the registers on Zap 1. If the majority of them show the value "ff", contact Digium support. I had modules marked "Rev C" that did this replaced with "X100B RevB" ones and have not had any trouble since. Regards, Richard
Where is this discussion going. I am about to do an installation that will require t1 interfaces. I am new to the telephone world and found the original discussion useful. I need to know from a reliability and performance standpoint what is the better choice. Sangoma or Digium? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: carey.mould.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 308 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050407/e5773e27/carey.mould.vcf
Lol - Cisco for one. -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matteo Brancaleoni Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:12 AM To: ht@phonitel.com Cc: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium Hi, Il giorno gio, 07-04-2005 alle 13:02 +0200, ht@phonitel.com ha scritto:> Digium do sell online and so many other of their resellers do. Theimportant> point is that they don't sell lower cost than their resellers, whichis the> case.Please find an hardware producer that sells directly to endusers, when they have also distributors/resellers. The way is: if you have resellers, sell through them. if not directly to end user. ) )snip ) Matteo _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> spending over $A10,000 in the process. The cards are more expensive than > the server they're going into (Dell poweredge 750's). When a GPL'd hardwareIt is obvious that you have never experienced high end servers. We have had a single server cost as much as $20,000 and that is nothing but high performance hardware(Raid, REG ECC memory[mirrored for redundancy], Dual Xeon Server). Then you add in any specialized hardware that can easily up the cost to $30,000. and that is just one machine. when you need performance you pay for it one way or another. A lot of times it is better to pay more for reliability and performance. Max
I use Digium hardware exclusively. I admit that I had problems with the FXO/FXS cards that I tried out last year, but the PRI cards are an entirely different story. They have run flawlessly for me and I have single and quad PRI cards in service. If they had a garbage product, I wouldn't use it, but, since (without sounding like a homer) without Digium and Mark there would be no asterisk, I buy my hardware from them, so i feel like I am at least contributing in some sort of fashion. I can't write code, and its a great day for me when "hello world" works. So I buy the hardware and ease my conscience. -------------- next part -------------- I use Digium hardware exclusively. I admit that I had problems with the FXO/FXS cards that I tried out last year, but the PRI cards are an entirely different story. They have run flawlessly for me and I have single and quad PRI cards in service. If they had a garbage product, I wouldn't use it, but, since (without sounding like a homer) without Digium and Mark there would be no asterisk, I buy my hardware from them, so i feel like I am at least contributing in some sort of fashion. I can't write code, and its a great day for me when "hello world" works. So I buy the hardware and ease my conscience.