Hi all, I am currently trying to decide what Operating System is best to go for on a customer site. Server will only be running Asterisk / MySQL / Apache / PHP but nothing else. I have only tested Asterisk on SLES 8.1 however I do have experience with RedHat 9 as well. However SLES 8 = ?599 ex vat and with so many free Linux OS's out there I am tempted to deploy something else on customer sites. RedHat 9 is no longer available so although I probably have CD's somewhere I assume that I cannot actually legally install this now for NEW installs???? I dont think I will get any value from support contracts so if there is anyone out there that has done some customer / 3rd party deployments could you offer some advice on what you have used and why? Also is there really any difference between using a Standard / Enterprise or Destop SUSE (Will never require more than two CPUs). Does SLES 8 bring ?599 worth of enhancements to the table over SUSE Desktop or Fedora et al? Is Fedora a good choice? Sorry for the many questions but I am not particularly experienced with Linux to know what the real difference is with the umpteen versions. thanks as always for any advice Alex -------------------------------------------- |Alex Barnes |SQA Engineer |URL : http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> -------------------------------------------- This email and any attached files are confidential and copyright protected. If you are not the addressee, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software: As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using the web domain ubiquity.com earlier this year in addition to the previously established ubiquity.net for our website and email communications to you. However, since that time, a dispute has emerged with respect to actual ownership of the ubiquity.com domain. As an international software company founded over decade ago, you can always reach Ubiquity Software under the website www.ubiquity.net <http://www.ubiquity.net/> and via email at @ubiquity.net. However, we have also chosen to expand our domain to the more specific www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> for web and @ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications. Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications to Ubiquity employees from now on. Thank you. Regards, Ubiquity Software www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> info@ubiquitysoftware.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20041014/4bb235d1/attachment.htm
Yes, Fedora works fine. Debian too. (I've used both) ...and others have successfully used other flavours... See the Wiki: http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk Regards, Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California & London England www.evtmedia.com ________________________________ From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 6:11 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Advice on OS Choice Hi all, I am currently trying to decide what Operating System is best to go for on a customer site. Server will only be running Asterisk / MySQL / Apache / PHP but nothing else. I have only tested Asterisk on SLES 8.1 however I do have experience with RedHat 9 as well. However SLES 8 = ?599 ex vat and with so many free Linux OS's out there I am tempted to deploy something else on customer sites. RedHat 9 is no longer available so although I probably have CD's somewhere I assume that I cannot actually legally install this now for NEW installs???? I dont think I will get any value from support contracts so if there is anyone out there that has done some customer / 3rd party deployments could you offer some advice on what you have used and why? Also is there really any difference between using a Standard / Enterprise or Destop SUSE (Will never require more than two CPUs). Does SLES 8 bring ?599 worth of enhancements to the table over SUSE Desktop or Fedora et al? Is Fedora a good choice? Sorry for the many questions but I am not particularly experienced with Linux to know what the real difference is with the umpteen versions. thanks as always for any advice Alex -------------------------------------------- |Alex Barnes |SQA Engineer |URL : http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> -------------------------------------------- This email and any attached files are confidential and copyright protected. If you are not the addressee, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software: As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using the web domain ubiquity.com earlier this year in addition to the previously established ubiquity.net for our website and email communications to you. However, since that time, a dispute has emerged with respect to actual ownership of the ubiquity.com domain. As an international software company founded over decade ago, you can always reach Ubiquity Software under the website www.ubiquity.net <http://www.ubiquity.net/ <http://www.ubiquity.net/> > and via email at @ubiquity.net. However, we have also chosen to expand our domain to the more specific www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/ <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> > for web and @ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications. Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications to Ubiquity employees from now on. Thank you. Regards, Ubiquity Software www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/ <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> > info@ubiquitysoftware.com <mailto:info@ubiquitysoftware.com>
Yeah I have gone through the list of Operating Systems on the Wiki. But I was looking for more specific info on "What makes a good Linux server". -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stingel [mailto:scott@evtmedia.com] Sent: 14 October 2004 14:22 To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Advice on OS Choice Yes, Fedora works fine. Debian too. (I've used both) ...and others have successfully used other flavours... See the Wiki: http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk Regards, Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California & London England www.evtmedia.com ________________________________ From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 6:11 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Advice on OS Choice Hi all, I am currently trying to decide what Operating System is best to go for on a customer site. Server will only be running Asterisk / MySQL / Apache / PHP but nothing else. I have only tested Asterisk on SLES 8.1 however I do have experience with RedHat 9 as well. However SLES 8 = ?599 ex vat and with so many free Linux OS's out there I am tempted to deploy something else on customer sites. RedHat 9 is no longer available so although I probably have CD's somewhere I assume that I cannot actually legally install this now for NEW installs???? I dont think I will get any value from support contracts so if there is anyone out there that has done some customer / 3rd party deployments could you offer some advice on what you have used and why? Also is there really any difference between using a Standard / Enterprise or Destop SUSE (Will never require more than two CPUs). Does SLES 8 bring ?599 worth of enhancements to the table over SUSE Desktop or Fedora et al? Is Fedora a good choice? Sorry for the many questions but I am not particularly experienced with Linux to know what the real difference is with the umpteen versions. thanks as always for any advice Alex -------------------------------------------- |Alex Barnes |SQA Engineer |URL : http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com |<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> -------------------------------------------- This email and any attached files are confidential and copyright protected. If you are not the addressee, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software: As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using the web domain ubiquity.com earlier this year in addition to the previously established ubiquity.net for our website and email communications to you. However, since that time, a dispute has emerged with respect to actual ownership of the ubiquity.com domain. As an international software company founded over decade ago, you can always reach Ubiquity Software under the website www.ubiquity.net <http://www.ubiquity.net/ <http://www.ubiquity.net/> > and via email at @ubiquity.net. However, we have also chosen to expand our domain to the more specific www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/ <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> > for web and @ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications. Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications to Ubiquity employees from now on. Thank you. Regards, Ubiquity Software www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/ <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> > info@ubiquitysoftware.com <mailto:info@ubiquitysoftware.com> _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 23:10, Alex Barnes wrote:> Hi all, > > I am currently trying to decide what Operating System is best to go > for on a customer site. Server will only be running Asterisk / MySQL > / Apache / PHP but nothing else. > > I have only tested Asterisk on SLES 8.1 however I do have experience > with RedHat 9 as well. > > However SLES 8 = ?599 ex vat and with so many free Linux OS's out > there I am tempted to deploy something else on customer sites. > RedHat 9 is no longer available so although I probably have CD's > somewhere I assume that I cannot actually legally install this now for > NEW installs????As for distributions, I'm tending to like debian at the moment, mainly because it has simple, easy to use management tools (apt), and, well, it is free... Really though, they are all the same... So I would usually say, use whatever you know the best. Oh, you can probably 'legally' install RH9 in another 20 years, I doubt there was any sort of time limit on installation for it... (not that I would know)... [snip]> Sorry for the many questions but I am not particularly experienced > with Linux to know what the real difference is with the umpteen > versions.You did ask for advice, so: If you don't know linux well enough to be comfortable with any specific distribution, to the point that really all of them are mostly the same, just a few extra GUI's/tools that they throw in. The biggest difference is usually in the install process, but again, I don't really know much about this, since I've never actually purchased a copy of any linux distro.... So, what I would suggest is that if you don't know linux that well, perhaps you should pause and think again about selling a linux based solution to a customer. I mean, stuffing around with something yourself is different to actually selling a *solution*... Perhaps you might talk to another local asterisk consultant (or even just a linux consultant).. Just my 0.02c....> thanks as always for any advice[delete silly, very long signature, incl stupid disclaimer...] Please please don't start any huge threads about the best linux distro, and extra please don't take offence about my comments, they will hopefully make you think about it. What you do from there is entirely up to you.
MessageAlex use the one you like best or know best. I use RH 9 and Fedora Core 1
due to they work and I know them well. Asterisk will run on most linux distro
with the proper setups.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Barnes
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:10 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Advice on OS Choice
Hi all,
I am currently trying to decide what Operating System is best to go for on a
customer site. Server will only be running Asterisk / MySQL / Apache / PHP but
nothing else.
I have only tested Asterisk on SLES 8.1 however I do have experience with
RedHat 9 as well.
However SLES 8 = ?599 ex vat and with so many free Linux OS's out there I
am tempted to deploy something else on customer sites.
RedHat 9 is no longer available so although I probably have CD's somewhere
I assume that I cannot actually legally install this now for NEW installs????
I dont think I will get any value from support contracts so if there is anyone
out there that has done some customer / 3rd party deployments could you offer
some advice on what you have used and why?
Also is there really any difference between using a Standard / Enterprise or
Destop SUSE (Will never require more than two CPUs). Does SLES 8 bring ?599
worth of enhancements to the table over SUSE Desktop or Fedora et al?
Is Fedora a good choice?
Sorry for the many questions but I am not particularly experienced with Linux
to know what the real difference is with the umpteen versions.
thanks as always for any advice
Alex
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|Alex Barnes
|SQA Engineer
|URL : http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com
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ubiquity.com earlier this year in addition to the previously established
ubiquity.net for our website and email communications to you. However, since
that time, a dispute has emerged with respect to actual ownership of the
ubiquity.com domain.
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<http://www.ubiquity.net/> and via email at @ubiquity.net. However, we
have also chosen to expand our domain to the more specific
www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> for web and
@ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications.
Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new
ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications to Ubiquity employees
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Thanks everyone for the replies. RH 9 Availability: According to the RedHat site >>> http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/ RedHat 9 is no longer available. If you say you can still download it from RH that's great, can I assume this means it is totally free to use / install on servers you wish to sell!?!?! Customer Installs: How many versions of Linux do you suggest I become an expert in before you think it would be ok for me to install one specific version on a server at a customer site? I think you misunderstand what I'm asking. I'm not saying I don't want to install with SLES 8 or RH9 because I don't know them (I have about 3/4 years industry experience using RH and more recently SLES8 but that is all, well apart from (windoze XX, Solaris, Tru64 and a little AIX) am just saying I am no newbie to IT), I was mearly asking for advice as it was my understanding that RH9 wasn't possible (I have been corrected) and was hoping to save some ???'s by moving away from SLES 8. But I am certainly not adversed to familarising myself with a new Linux distro if it comes highly recommended by the good people on the mailing list. I also did read the list of Operating Systems and there comments on thw Wiki before I sent my email but the Wiki didn't include and comparisons between the OS's hence not entirely useful for my questions. Silly long sig: Sorry this is added by the mail server automatically. I have complained to the sysadmin but what can I do. (Pls feel free to skip the inevitable sig that gets attached to this email :-P ) Thanks again Alex P.S. I would certainly think long and hard before I deployed a phone system in a hospital (for example), however everyone has to start somewhere. "This time next year Rodney, we'll be millionaires!" :-D Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software: As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using the web domain ubiquity.com earlier this year in addition to the previously established ubiquity.net for our website and email communications to you. However, since that time, a dispute has emerged with respect to actual ownership of the ubiquity.com domain. As an international software company founded over decade ago, you can always reach Ubiquity Software under the website www.ubiquity.net <http://www.ubiquity.net/> and via email at @ubiquity.net. However, we have also chosen to expand our domain to the more specific www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> for web and @ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications. Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications to Ubiquity employees from now on. Thank you. Regards, Ubiquity Software www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> info@ubiquitysoftware.com
On Thursday 14 October 2004 09:10 am, Alex Barnes wrote:> Hi all, > > I am currently trying to decide what Operating System is best to go for on > a customer site. Server will only be running Asterisk / MySQL / Apache / > PHP but nothing else. > > I have only tested Asterisk on SLES 8.1 however I do have experience with > RedHat 9 as well.One very good distro for these kinds of setup is Mandrake 10. It has a very easy to configure security setup which will harden the box for you. It's based on RH and is fully compatible with mainstream configuration tools. (Versus f.ex. SuSE) -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
You're a mac user aren't you.. :) -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jason T. Nelson Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:31 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice In our last exciting episode, Kevin Walsh (kevin@cursor.biz) said:> With Red Hat Enterprise, you're paying for the "privilege" of getting > a packaged distro with support and upgrades. If you don't need the > support then you can freely use White Box and get exactly the samecode.> The White Box distro can get away with this because of the GPL. If > GNU/Linux was licensed under a BSD-style license then Red Hat could > easily close the source - just as Apple did when they stole BSD code > to create "their" OS/X effort. I don't believe that Red Hat would do > that sort of thing anyway - those tactics are best left to Apple and > Microsoft.Umm.. subtle but very important point here. Apple did not "steal" BSD code. BSD code cannot be stolen. It is given away as basically a gift. Stealing implies that the person you stole from has now lost something. I don't see FreeBSD or NetBSD or OpenBSD as having lost anything; in fact, Apple has returned many things to the community without being coerced as could be said about GPL-licensed code. -- Jason T. Nelson <jtn@jtn.cx> http://www.jtn.cx/~jtn/ GPG key fingerprint = 6272 5482 EDDD D0A3 FED2 262A FABB 599D FF67 6C9E disclaimer: My opinions are my own. Don't bother my employer about them.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 02:10:54PM +0100, Alex Barnes wrote:> I am currently trying to decide what Operating System is best to go for on > a customer site. Server will only be running Asterisk / MySQL / Apache / > PHP but nothing else. > > I have only tested Asterisk on SLES 8.1 however I do have experience with > RedHat 9 as well.Personally I use Debian for servers. The main things I like about it are: 1. Predictability. Pretty much anything you could want has been packaged for Debian by official maintainers and following Debian policy. This means that when you install some new package you know where to find config files, docs etc. You also know that dependancies have been sorted out for you and you arn't going to break some other package. 2. Safe security updates. Within any give release updates are strictly for security patches and the package maintainers take care to make sure nothing breaks. The last thing you want is to make unnecessary changes to a working stable server. 3. Stubborn licensing policies. Lots of people think Debian is too anal about requiring that all official parts of Debian meet the DFSG. If you are distributing Linux based systems their pickiness is an advantage since you don't have to worry that you might accidentally include some propriatary or "free only for non-commercial use" application. If it's Debian then you KNOW you can distribute the thing. 4. Long term upgradability. I have several Debian boxes that have been upgraded 3 or more times over the years without incident and I've never had an upgrade from one stable release to another end in requiring me to re-install from scratch. My impression is that the success rate of most other distros is not as high. I've never been real happy with RH, at first due to bugs and idiosyncrasies that wasted a lot of my time and later because of their licensing. If I were looking for a commercial distro I'd probably go for SuSe or Mandrake. -- Ray
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 12:00, asterisk-users-request@lists.digium.com wrote:> ------------------------------------------------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:56:21 +0000 (UTC) > From: tony@softins.clara.co.uk (Tony Mountifield) > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > Message-ID: <ckovfl$d6f$1@softins.clara.co.uk> > > In article <00a001c4b2cb$f2461180$020110ac@majestic.internal.office.cursor.biz>, > Kevin Walsh <kevin@cursor.biz> wrote: > > That's not up to them to decide. Under the GPL, if you distribute > > modified code then you must publish your enhancements for the benefit > > of all. The team responsible for the core code can decide whether the > > contributed code is "appropriate for distribution." > > That's not how I understand the GPL. My understanding is that the GPL > gives me the freedom to take some GPLed code, modify it, and distribute > the modified code to whomsoever I choose, for free or for a payment. I > must also make the source code freely available (on request, if I prefer) > to anyone to whom I distribute binaries. > > It does *not* compel me to distribute my version to everyone, but I also > cannot prevent those people I give or sell it to from passing it on in > binary and/or source form to anyone else if they choose to. > > Cheers > Tony > -- > Tony Mountifield > Work: tony@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk > Play: tony@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org > >I think you are both right. As I understand it, it all depends on what is modified. Say in the case of Asterisk you modified and improved the conferencing capability, or voicemail, those modifications are made to existing features and are expected to go back into the GPL source. Final judgement is made by the GPL core distribution team to incorporate or not. Should you take and build a capability like Billing or another conferencing capability, or call transfer to your liking on top of the asterisk system. This in not required to be reviewed or submitted to become open source. It is your own software capability to do with what you want. Keep it proprietary or open source it. Your choice. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks, Mike Meyer
The horse has been dead for a long while. Please stop beating it. -Tim -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 4:05 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice Joe, could we stop this now? It's obvious that if you go to a GPL project and start slinging mud at the GPL, you are in the wrong place. I would recommend that you head over to a Microsoft mailing list where I'm sure you will find an abundance of fodder for your outdated methodologies. When was the last time you actually worked in the industry? I think you'll find if you get back out there that things have changed a lot since the 80's (JK). But seriously. This thread is getting a little silly. Can't we just agree to disagree? The longer you continue this, the more people you will involve from this list. Anyway -1 Flamebait. (also muted in playerlist) Cheers, Matt Riddell _______________________________________________ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Craig Guy
2004-Oct-17 21:08 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Petulant losers thread [Advice on OS Choice]
Can all parties concerned drop this thread or take it offline. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Kohlsmith" <akohlsmith-asterisk@benshaw.com> To: <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice> On October 17, 2004 11:34 pm, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > > On October 16, 2004 02:24 pm, Michael Giagnocavo wrote: > > ?? wtf happened to my list threading? > > -A. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users