Let me start with "I am not sure if problem I describe is really ssh problem" so excuse me in that case. I've needed to make a login shell wrapper for one of users (an example below) to my own script: <script> #!/bin/bash ls -la /this_does_not_exist /etc/passed </script> (shebang with -l or -i does not affect the problem) Real script does not matter, this example is to show you that I cant use error descriptor here;\ When I run this script while being logged on machine I get: <typescript> user at machine ~ $ /usr/local/bin/myscript_shell > /dev/null ls: /this_does_not_exist: No such file or directory </typescript> what we can see here is that stderr and stdout are separated... When I run this script over ssh I get: <typescript> user at machine ~ $ ssh machine /usr/local/bin/myscript_shell > /dev/null Password: ls: /this_does_not_exist: No such file or directory </typescript> here also stderr and stdout are separated... Now let me change change login shell (in /etc/passwd) for user "user" from "bash" to "myscript_shell"... and login again: <typescript> user at machine ~ $ ssh machine > /dev/null Password: Connection to machine closed. </typescript> Hmm, where is my stderr!?;\ to make sure that script is giving the same output.... <typescript> user at machine ~ $ ssh machine Password: Last login: Thu Apr 20 13:50:36 2006 from machine ls: /this_does_not_exist: No such file or directory -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2515 Apr 20 10:47 /etc/passwd Connection to machine closed. </typescript> Is this ssh dependent? Is this wanted behavior? I need to have separated descriptors... as in all examples before login shell change... Any clue? Thx. -- Dawid Szymanski, dszymanski at axit.pl, +48 (71) 3352352 AXIT Polska Sp. z o.o., ul. Ruska 51b, 50-079 Wroclaw, Poland