Hi all, I''m with a team of engineers who are new to RSpec, and I''m looking for some good introductory material. Ideally it would be something like the two-part Railscast on Cucumber ( http://asciicasts.com/episodes/155-beginning-with-cucumber ) which doesn''t assume detailed knowledge of TDD. I found David Chelimsky''s Intro at http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/2007/05/14/an-introduction-to-rspec-part-i/ ... anything else that people would recommend? Thanks much! jon -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
http://www.pragprog.com/titles/achbd/the-rspec-book On Nov 20, 1:11?pm, Jon Pincus <li... at ruby-forum.com> wrote:> Hi all, > > I''m with a team of engineers who are new to RSpec, and I''m looking for > some good introductory material. ?Ideally it would be something like the > two-part Railscast on Cucumber (http://asciicasts.com/episodes/155-beginning-with-cucumber) which > doesn''t assume detailed knowledge of TDD. > > I found David Chelimsky''s Intro athttp://blog.davidchelimsky.net/2007/05/14/an-introduction-to-rspec-pa... > ... anything else that people would recommend? > > Thanks much! > > jon > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-us... at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users
The RSpec Book from Pragmatic Programmers is excellent IMO. Best, Carl Andy Koch wrote:> http://www.pragprog.com/titles/achbd/the-rspec-book > > On Nov 20, 1:11 pm, Jon Pincus <li... at ruby-forum.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I''m with a team of engineers who are new to RSpec, and I''m looking for >> some good introductory material. Ideally it would be something like the >> two-part Railscast on Cucumber (http://asciicasts.com/episodes/155-beginning-with-cucumber) which >> doesn''t assume detailed knowledge of TDD. >> >> I found David Chelimsky''s Intro athttp://blog.davidchelimsky.net/2007/05/14/an-introduction-to-rspec-pa... >> ... anything else that people would recommend? >> >> Thanks much! >> >> jon >> -- >> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/. >> _______________________________________________ >> rspec-users mailing list >> rspec-us... at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >> > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > >
Thanks Andy and Carl. I''ve bought The RSpec Book and there''s
a wealth
of good information, but the tutorial in Chapter 5 ("Getting Started
with RSpec") starts with mock objects and the quirks of
should_receive.with ... that seems like a pretty advanced place to start
for those who aren''t familiar with TDD (or BDD). I''m hoping
for
something more straightforward.
jon
--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
I agree that mocks are one of the harder concepts to grasp. In my case - although I will probably get some flack - I created some simple real objects first, then tried to mimic their behavior with mocks. When you are first leaning sometimes I find it better to start with a known real object then to see how to do it in cucumber or RSpec. Mind you this is just training wheels to give you confidence in your mock objects. Jon Pincus wrote:> Thanks Andy and Carl. I''ve bought The RSpec Book and there''s a wealth > of good information, but the tutorial in Chapter 5 ("Getting Started > with RSpec") starts with mock objects and the quirks of > should_receive.with ... that seems like a pretty advanced place to start > for those who aren''t familiar with TDD (or BDD). I''m hoping for > something more straightforward. > > jon >
Pair with them. How big''s the team? Lots of ways you can do this. If there are 5 other devs, you can pair with one each day, bam, training in a week. If there are 10, you pair with 5 for one week, then have those guys pair with the other guys over the next week (rotating every day). Does anybody in your organization have any experience with RSpec? It''s likely somebody''s played with it some. Lean on them. Pick up the RSpec book and pair as much as you can. Pat On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Jon Pincus <lists at ruby-forum.com> wrote:> Hi all, > > I''m with a team of engineers who are new to RSpec, and I''m looking for > some good introductory material. ?Ideally it would be something like the > two-part Railscast on Cucumber ( > http://asciicasts.com/episodes/155-beginning-with-cucumber ) which > doesn''t assume detailed knowledge of TDD. > > I found David Chelimsky''s Intro at > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/2007/05/14/an-introduction-to-rspec-part-i/ > ... anything else that people would recommend? > > Thanks much! > > jon > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >
+1 And have a coding dojo ASAP. It''s much easier to learn when you''re having fun. On 25 Nov 2009, at 18:07, Pat Maddox wrote:> Pair with them. How big''s the team? Lots of ways you can do this. > If there are 5 other devs, you can pair with one each day, bam, > training in a week. If there are 10, you pair with 5 for one week, > then have those guys pair with the other guys over the next week > (rotating every day). Does anybody in your organization have any > experience with RSpec? It''s likely somebody''s played with it some. > Lean on them. > > Pick up the RSpec book and pair as much as you can. > > Pat > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Jon Pincus <lists at ruby-forum.com> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I''m with a team of engineers who are new to RSpec, and I''m looking >> for >> some good introductory material. Ideally it would be something >> like the >> two-part Railscast on Cucumber ( >> http://asciicasts.com/episodes/155-beginning-with-cucumber ) which >> doesn''t assume detailed knowledge of TDD. >> >> I found David Chelimsky''s Intro at >> http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/2007/05/14/an-introduction-to-rspec-part-i/ >> ... anything else that people would recommend? >> >> Thanks much! >> >> jon >> -- >> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. >> _______________________________________________ >> rspec-users mailing list >> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >> > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-userscheers, Matt http://mattwynne.net +447974 430184
On Nov 25, 2009, at 6:38 pm, Matt Wynne wrote:> +1 > > And have a coding dojo ASAP. It''s much easier to learn when you''re having fun. > > On 25 Nov 2009, at 18:07, Pat Maddox wrote: > >> Pair with them. How big''s the team? Lots of ways you can do this.+2 +1 For the pairing, it''s the most efficient way to share knowledge. But I suggest making it clear it''s training. I''ve done it where the other person was under the impression that the point of the exercise to produce production code, and became frustrated with how slow it is. +1 For the Coding Dojo (which involves pairing anyway). Had no idea how much fun these are until I ran one. It''s especially valuable for the amount of cognitive dissonance it generates - pretty much every line of code is a point of discussion. I think that given the task of training a team of 5 now, I''d give serious thought to a Coding Dojo on a Friday, then pairing with each developer the next week. Or maybe, facilitating pairs pulled and rotated from the team (ie three people at a workstation). Ashley -- http://www.patchspace.co.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleymoran