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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Lee Hambley <lee.hambley at gmail.com> wrote:> I''m honestly sure that nobody cares, but this list needs to split, I can''t > handle the volume of `junk` that is completely irrelevant because I am > subscribed looking for to keep up to date with cucumber wisdom; I''m going to > see how this message is received, and unsubscribe myself later today.> The SNR ratio is absurd, and the list users should really consider a split. > Thanks for the things I''ve learned, and the tips and tricks that I have been > fortunate enough to pick up.Over the entire weekend I received a little over 30 messages on this list. I wouldn''t exactly consider that high-volume or absurd. I use both RSpec and Cucumber and I don''t personally mind them being on the same list as it allows me participate in discussions that pertain to the full cycle of outside-in development. I can see where you are coming from though since you only seem to care about the Cucumber aspect of things. If the lists are split I will simply subscribe to both. A nice thing about having the two ML''s combined at this point is that discussions and questions which span the entire BDD process can be asked and answered. The down-side of this is that not all folks who use Cucumber use RSpec (or even Ruby). I don''t encourage the split, but I think it is becoming inevitable. Cucumber itself is becoming large and wide. I can''t think of a good reason for Java programmers who want to use Cucumber to join the RSpec ML.> - Lee > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >-- Zach Dennis http://www.continuousthinking.com (personal) http://www.mutuallyhuman.com (hire me) @zachdennis (twitter)
Zach, You hit the nail on the head exactly, the problem was compounded by my being on vacation for a week, and coming back to a flood of emails, regrettably my gmail filters can''t even take the strain, I can''t restrict it accurately enough, as there isn''t enough standardization in subject tagging ([rspec-users] [cucumber]) to filter accurately. It was a general moan on my part, and not really fair to air it to the list, but looking at the archives, this comes up from time to time, and I agree completely for anyone using the whole package, it is an invaluable resource... I''m not sure what the solution is, or how my participation will continue (not that the list will feel my absence!) I do however want the best for the list, and to voice my distress with the volume of traffic that could very well be largely irrelevant to the `typical` user... as it happens we are using the rspec+cucumber stack with MRI ruby, and a rails project, it doesn''t get more mainstream for rspec and cucumber than that, but even so I find most of the rspec centric conversations on the list to be distracting and confusing. Considerately, - Lee 2009/5/18 Zach Dennis <zach.dennis at gmail.com>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Lee Hambley <lee.hambley at gmail.com> > wrote: > > I''m honestly sure that nobody cares, but this list needs to split, I > can''t > > handle the volume of `junk` that is completely irrelevant because I am > > subscribed looking for to keep up to date with cucumber wisdom; I''m going > to > > see how this message is received, and unsubscribe myself later today. > > > The SNR ratio is absurd, and the list users should really consider a > split. > > Thanks for the things I''ve learned, and the tips and tricks that I have > been > > fortunate enough to pick up. > > Over the entire weekend I received a little over 30 messages on this > list. I wouldn''t exactly consider that high-volume or absurd. > > I use both RSpec and Cucumber and I don''t personally mind them being > on the same list as it allows me participate in discussions that > pertain to the full cycle of outside-in development. I can see where > you are coming from though since you only seem to care about the > Cucumber aspect of things. If the lists are split I will simply > subscribe to both. > > A nice thing about having the two ML''s combined at this point is that > discussions and questions which span the entire BDD process can be > asked and answered. The down-side of this is that not all folks who > use Cucumber use RSpec (or even Ruby). > > I don''t encourage the split, but I think it is becoming inevitable. > Cucumber itself is becoming large and wide. I can''t think of a good > reason for Java programmers who want to use Cucumber to join the RSpec > ML. > > > > - Lee > > _______________________________________________ > > rspec-users mailing list > > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > > > > > > -- > Zach Dennis > http://www.continuousthinking.com (personal) > http://www.mutuallyhuman.com (hire me) > @zachdennis (twitter) > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/rspec-users/attachments/20090518/7f90078a/attachment.html>
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Zach Dennis <zach.dennis at gmail.com> wrote:> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Lee Hambley <lee.hambley at gmail.com> wrote: >> I''m honestly sure that nobody cares, but this list needs to split, I can''t >> handle the volume of `junk` that is completely irrelevant because I am >> subscribed looking for to keep up to date with cucumber wisdom; I''m going to >> see how this message is received, and unsubscribe myself later today. > >> The SNR ratio is absurd, and the list users should really consider a split. >> Thanks for the things I''ve learned, and the tips and tricks that I have been >> fortunate enough to pick up.> I use both RSpec and Cucumber and I don''t personally mind them being > on the same list as it allows me participate in discussions that > pertain to the full cycle of outside-in development. I can see where > you are coming from though since you only seem to care about the > Cucumber aspect of things. If the lists are split I will simply > subscribe to both. > > A nice thing about having the two ML''s combined at this point is that > discussions and questions which span the entire BDD process can be > asked and answered. The down-side of this is that not all folks who > use Cucumber use RSpec (or even Ruby). > > I don''t encourage the split, but I think it is becoming inevitable. > Cucumber itself is becoming large and wide. I can''t think of a good > reason for Java programmers who want to use Cucumber to join the RSpec > ML. >As a long-time RSpec, and now Cucumber user, to me the Java stuff is the noise <G>. -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
makes no difference to me, if the list were to split, i''d subscribe to both so I''d see the same signal and noise. --linoj
Rick, To me too, maybe we could get some mileage by just having a convention of tagging subjects properly [rspec-users][cucumber][java] etc.. and people could filter out what they just don''t care about Actually, looking at today''s mail, its the Java thread that broke the proverbial camel''s back and prompted me to post this thread - Lee 2009/5/18 Jonathan Linowes <jonathan at parkerhill.com>> makes no difference to me, if the list were to split, i''d subscribe to both > so I''d see the same signal and noise. > > --linoj > > > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/rspec-users/attachments/20090518/0e469508/attachment.html>