I did some tests: ### Theora support in Firefox 3.7a (missnamed as "Minefield"): Same as since 3.5 (plays, no controls if Javascript off, no thorough retest of buffering issues). http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/2010-January/003369.html http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449358 ### WeBM support in Firefox 3.7a Seems to play (controls bug of course also there) and download :-) if one finally finds a page having WeBM at all. ### Theora support in Opera 10.60b1 Same as since 10.50bxx - not only it doesn't play, it "hangs" on pages having Theora videos (mouse wheel dead, links dead - can't click them). Philipp wrote:>>> Please be sure to report any bugs at http://bugs.opera.com/ and we will look at them. >> It requires an account > Try https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/Oops not done, should I re-report it now ? ### WeBM support in Opera 10.60b1 Well, it seems to work (despite Theora bug) and controls are there even if Javascript off :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ### WeBM support in YouTube and Internet The obsession is high (many pages about the thing, most opinions positive to very positive), but lack of working examples. Even worse, most of such pages "offer" videos or link to video pages doing nothing or "You must enable Javascript and download latest Flash player" ... http://www.youtube.com/ http://www.youtube.com/html5 It doesn't work. Either the page doesn't load, it doesn't find any videos, or switches immediately back to the old "You must enable Javascript and download latest Flash player" ... Where are all the new videos in WeBM format ??? http://www.opera.com/press/video/ Only "You must enable Javascript and download latest Flash player" ??? WtF AWARD: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/2009-April/002108.html Video recommendations: many pages about the thing, typical content: "You must support both X264 and at least one of Theora or WeBM, and additionally a Flash fallback for users having no HTML5 support at all" 1. Providing the very same video 3 or 4 times pulls all the codec efficiency discussions ("Theora is obsolete crap") into the absurdity. If Theora is inferior to X264 at all, then very very marginally, while this idea instantly increases the space consumption by just factor 3 or 4. Also the excessive wrapping of Flash on existing video pages probably doesn't really save server space nor network transfer capacity. 2. Why the Flash fallback? I've never seen any non-Flash fallback on Youtube or any such "video" page.
Denver Gingerich
2010-Jun-29 16:37 UTC
[theora] Theora and WeBM support in Firefox and Opera
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, dos386 <dos386 at gmail.com> wrote:> ### WeBM support in YouTube and Internet > > The obsession is high (many pages about the thing, most opinions > positive to very positive), but lack of working examples. Even worse, > most of such pages "offer" videos or link to video pages doing nothing > or "You must enable Javascript and download latest Flash player" ... > > http://www.youtube.com/ > http://www.youtube.com/html5 > > It doesn't work. Either the page doesn't load, it doesn't find any > videos, or switches immediately back to the old "You must enable > Javascript and download latest Flash player" ... Where are all the new > videos in WeBM format ???First, you must join YouTube's HTML5 beta. You will not get WebM video unless you do this: http://www.youtube.com/html5 -> "Join the HTML5 Beta" Once that's done, you can do a search for videos that are encoded in WebM: http://www.webmproject.org/users/#playing_on_youtube Basically you add "&webm=1" to the search URL, ie. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=webm&aq=f&webm=1 . Clicking on any of the search results should give you a video in WebM format, like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-fHh3a2ub4 I just tried the above steps using Chromium from the daily PPA ( https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa ) and it works for me. Denver http://ossguy.com/
dos386 <dos386 at gmail.com> wrote ..> http://www.youtube.com/html5 > Where are all the new videos in WeBM format ???I've found lots of videos in WebM format. My understanding is that, per [1], after going to http://www.youtube.com/html5 you must first enroll in the HTML5 experiment before doing anything else. It's pretty easy: Click on Join the HTML5 Beta. Once that's out of the way, you're supposed to add &webm=1 to the end of the URL. [1] http://www.webmproject.org/users/
Philip Jägenstedt
2010-Jun-30 21:37 UTC
[theora] Theora and WeBM support in Firefox and Opera
Can you please see if you can still get Opera to freeze in the latest build: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/06/30/opera-10-60-rc3 Philip On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 16:26, dos386 <dos386 at gmail.com> wrote:> I did some tests: > > ### Theora support in Firefox 3.7a (missnamed as "Minefield"): > > Same as since 3.5 (plays, no controls if Javascript off, no thorough > retest of buffering issues). > > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/2010-January/003369.html > > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449358 > > ### WeBM support in Firefox 3.7a > > Seems to play (controls bug of course also there) and download :-) if > one finally finds a page having WeBM at all. > > ### Theora support in Opera 10.60b1 > > Same as since 10.50bxx - not only it doesn't play, it "hangs" on pages > having Theora videos (mouse wheel dead, links dead - can't click > them). > > Philipp wrote: > >>>> Please be sure to report any bugs at http://bugs.opera.com/ and we will look at them. >>> It requires an account >> Try https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/ > > Oops not done, should I re-report it now ? > > ### WeBM support in Opera 10.60b1 > > Well, it seems to work (despite Theora bug) and controls are there > even if Javascript off :-) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ### WeBM support in YouTube and Internet > > The obsession is high (many pages about the thing, most opinions > positive to very positive), but lack of working examples. Even worse, > most of such pages "offer" videos or link to video pages doing nothing > or "You must enable Javascript and download latest Flash player" ... > > http://www.youtube.com/ > http://www.youtube.com/html5 > > It doesn't work. Either the page doesn't load, it doesn't find any > videos, or switches immediately back to the old "You must enable > Javascript and download latest Flash player" ... Where are all the new > videos in WeBM format ??? > > http://www.opera.com/press/video/ > > Only "You must enable Javascript and download latest Flash player" ??? > > WtF AWARD: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/2009-April/002108.html > > Video recommendations: many pages about the thing, typical content: > > "You must support both X264 and at least one of Theora or WeBM, and > additionally a Flash fallback for users having no HTML5 support at > all" > > 1. Providing the very same video 3 or 4 times pulls all the codec > efficiency discussions ("Theora is obsolete crap") into the absurdity. > If Theora is inferior to X264 at all, then very very marginally, while > this idea instantly increases the space consumption by just factor 3 > or 4. Also the excessive wrapping of Flash on existing video pages > probably doesn't really save server space nor network transfer > capacity. > > 2. Why the Flash fallback? I've never seen any non-Flash fallback on > Youtube or any such "video" page. > _______________________________________________ > theora mailing list > theora at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/theora >-- Philip J?genstedt