theora - Feb 2010 - Fwd: [whatwg] Suddenly, ~40% of IE users get HTML5 Theora with no effort

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From: David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 21:47
Subject: [whatwg] Suddenly, ~40% of IE users get HTML5 Theora with no effort
To: WHATWG <whatwg at whatwg.org>


http://www.atoker.com/blog/2010/02/04/html5-theora-video-codec-for-silverlight/
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/nuanti-brings-html5-and-ogg-theora-video-to-silverlight.ars

The 40% is from the blog post at the top.


- d.
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Well, that kills any motivation I had to port Cortado to Flash.
Luckily I haven't wasted a lot of time. Of course, Flash has a higher
market share than Silverlight, but I'm sure Microsoft will turn that
40% of IE users with Silverlight into 100% over time. So, depending on
how well this actually works, the following would be my ideal fallback
plan:

1. use <video>/Theora
2. if IE, use Chrome Frame, and then <video>/Theora
3. use Silverlight decoder
4. use Cortado
5. provide download and link to instructions

In step 2, 3 and 4, there should not be a prompt for installation of
any of those plugins if they are unavailable. The instructions in 5
could suggest Chrome Frame for IE, codec downloads and browser
recommendations.

Still, something is missing for the mobile crowd.

-- 
Remco

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Remco <remco47 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well, that kills any motivation I had to port Cortado to Flash.
> Luckily I haven't wasted a lot of time. Of course, Flash has a higher
Yeech!

Flash would still be very very good.  Right now people will say, "I'd
like to use theora but because of flash, h264 just has the market
share", they'll still say that with the silverlight port.

Silverlight may be just as good from a future real penetration effect,
 but Flash would be important for knocking out a headline argument for
not using Theora.

Remco wrote:
> Still, something is missing for the mobile crowd.
Yep.  We need player apps: just simple wrappers around theorarm [1] or
libtheora to play Theora videos.  I don't think any of these phones have a
way to install browser plugins, and I doubt Flash 10 will be fast enough
for Theora-in-Flash on a handheld ARM chip, so apps are the best we can
do.   At least with a player app users can download a file and then view
it, or copy a URL and watch it in the app.

If you want, you could call it a "Wikivideo app", since Wikipedia uses
Theora exclusively.

So poke your nearest friendly iPhone/Android/Palm WebOS/Windows
Mobile/Symbian developer and see if they want to write a Theora player
app... and if you have one of those devices, consider doing it yourself.
It shouldn't be hard.

--Ben

[1] http://wss.co.uk/pinknoise/theorarm/

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