Syslinux - Jan 2006 - Newbie question: need assistance setting up a boot menu for linux dist + win98

Hi,

I want to Boot up from a USB Disk-On-Key, Pull up a menu of:


Start Fresh install of   WBEL 3.0
Start Fresh install of   WBEL 4.0
Start Fresh install of   CentOS 3.6
Start Fresh install of   CentOS 4.2
Load Win98 boot disk and end with command prompt.



My problem is that I'm a novice user (sounds nicer than a newbie :)) ) and 
my experience with Linux was
vanilla installs with no actuall modifications for the install process.

I believe the process itself is fairly simple, as it only requires setting 
up a boot menu and then run the
boot images of the distribution selected.
When I start the linux install, I choose "linux askmethod" and then
being
prompted for the install method FTP, HTTP, CD or NFS Image.
I have no need for an auto install beyond that part.
All I need is to reach this screen, and I'll populate the values manually.
I just need a simple menu at the onset of the boot that will ask me: 
"Which
flavour of linux do you want to install" and thereafter
the selected distribution will initiate the install process of the selected 
distribution.

That's all I need to have,. and I'm stuck here!
This is just a simple boot menu configuration.. (I think),. isn't it, and 
upon selection,. it just pull the install boot image of the
distribution selected.


VERY IMPORTANT:  This must be from a USB Disk On Key (I've booted from it
before so
there is no hardware problems - all brand new hardware and it supports the boot
from USB DiskOnKey)

Any pointers on this?


- Alon

On 1/23/06, Alon Solell <alon at wsco.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to Boot up from a USB Disk-On-Key, Pull up a menu of:
>
>
> Start Fresh install of   WBEL 3.0
> Start Fresh install of   WBEL 4.0
> Start Fresh install of   CentOS 3.6
> Start Fresh install of   CentOS 4.2
> Load Win98 boot disk and end with command prompt.
>
>
>
> My problem is that I'm a novice user (sounds nicer than a newbie :)) )
and
> my experience with Linux was
> vanilla installs with no actuall modifications for the install process.
>
> I believe the process itself is fairly simple, as it only requires setting
> up a boot menu and then run the
> boot images of the distribution selected.
> When I start the linux install, I choose "linux askmethod" and
then being
> prompted for the install method FTP, HTTP, CD or NFS Image.
> I have no need for an auto install beyond that part.
> All I need is to reach this screen, and I'll populate the values
manually.
> I just need a simple menu at the onset of the boot that will ask me: 
"Which
> flavour of linux do you want to install" and thereafter
> the selected distribution will initiate the install process of the selected
> distribution.
>
> That's all I need to have,. and I'm stuck here!
> This is just a simple boot menu configuration.. (I think),. isn't it,
and
> upon selection,. it just pull the install boot image of the
> distribution selected.
>
>
> VERY IMPORTANT:  This must be from a USB Disk On Key (I've booted from
it before so
> there is no hardware problems - all brand new hardware and it supports the
boot from USB DiskOnKey)
>
> Any pointers on this?
>
>
> - Alon
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Well, maybe I can help you out a little as what you want to do is kind
of similar to what I do all the time, just I run multiple versions of
linux live distros while you run installers (which technically are
their own little live distros with some quite specialized scripting.) 
I'll just kind of start from the very beginning and if any of this
sounds redundant or overly simplistic for you, it's not intended to be
insulting (you say newbie, but, I don't know just how new.)

Firstly, most of those are designed to run off of a CD, and I haven't
seen very many bootable cds other than those made by microsoft which
do not use Isolinux.  So the first thing to do is to pop in the
original installation disc and find that Isolinux configuration file
(usually /isolinux, but, I've seen a few who put it in /boot/isolinux
or whatever, and some actually modify isolinux to put the boot files
in another directory entirely, but, either way, you should have a
isolinux.cfg file relatively easy to find.)  Find the choice you
usually would make to begin the installation with default options and
follow that label to find out which kernel (ok, most just have the
one) and what options are specified.  You might be surprised just how
many options get passed for simple tasks sometimes.  Anyway, write
those options down, or, if you're lazy like me, just leave that
isolinux.cfg file open in a text editor and refer over to your
multiboot files.

A lot of distros are lazy and leave their kernel named just plain
vmlinuz and the ramdrive image just plain initrd.gz, so you probably
want to rename these to avoid conflicts when you copy them to the new
location.  Personally, I like to rename all the kernel and ramdrive
images to something very sensible even if the originals aren't plain
names I'd have to worry about overwriting.  It's just so easier to
remember what "mandriva" is versus vmlinuz-mdk-2.6.whatever.  The main
thing is, you have to remember to adjust the kernel and append
options, which can be an easy thing to forget.  In particular, the
ramdrive image.  If you don't have an initrd= statement for some
reason, but, you've renamed your ramdrive image, then you'll
definitely need to give it one (ok, I think everyone has this already
so you only have to remember to change it to the correct value.)

So, let's say I've copied over the files from my Mandriva installation
disc.  I've copied the "vmlinuz" file from the alt0 folder and
renamed
it to "mandriva" and the "all.rdz" ramdrive image has been
copied and
renamed to "mandinit.gz"  The normal installation label in their
isolinux.cfg file is like this:
  kernel alt0/vmlinuz
  append initrd=alt0/all.rdz  automatic=method:cdrom acpi=ht vga=788
splash=silent
So in my new image, I'll make one more like this:
  kernel mandriva
  append initrd=mandinit.gz  automatic=method:cdrom acpi=ht vga=788
splash=verbose
(Ok, the splash wasn't necessary, but, darn I hate silent splash screens.)
Repeat this for each installation involved.  Be careful not to forget
to rename and overwrite and be careful not to loose track of the
renames and forget to adjust your menu accordingly.  Well, I usually
make a CD with these, so it's more troublesome to find out that I just
burned a disc that I forgot to fully test first since in your case you
have only to make new changes to your obviously read/write media
instead of write once.

Once you've gotten all the kernels and their ramdrives and any other
needed files copied over and appropriately worked with, you'll want to
change your syslinux.cfg file to include the code for the simple menu
now.  Firstly, copy the menu.c32 file into that folder if you haven't
already (you can get this from /syslinux-version/com32/modules/ of the
archive.)  Change your default statement to menu.c32 so the menu is
loaded by default, and I for one usually prefer to set prompt to 0. 
Add an ontimeout statement to load whatever options you want to be
default if the user waits for the timer to run out without any
keypresses (or don't if you don't want that of course.)  A while back
there was a problem where the ontimeout statement wasn't calling
labels correctly, so if you do use ontimeout, I personally feel it's
easiest just to go ahead and put the full statement instead.  Eg: 
"ONTIMEOUT kernel append" where you have kernel, you just replace with
the name of the kernel, and where you have append you put all the
statements that are appended to that kernel.  This method will
probably never stop working I suspect, so no matter what goes wrong,
it should still work.

Next up, under each label, create an extra option that says "MENU
LABEL so-and-so" obviously replacing the so-and-so with a more
appropriate spelled out title.  These don't have to be typed by the
user (though if you place a carat '^' before a letter it marks that
letter as a hotkey and the selection moves to it if the user presses
that key) so just be thorough.  It can say Mandriva 2006 Powerpack for
example, complete with spaces and all.  No 8.3 mangling there.  Only
catch is, the menu doesn't hold a lot of text and will just cut off
anything that doesn't fit on the screen, so make it fit or it looks
silly.  While you're adding menu label statements, you may with to
place a menu default statement under whichever item you want the
cursor to sit on when it first starts if you want it to be anything
other than the first one.  Personally, I get redundant so I have lots
of failsafes in case something or other goes wrong (in the past I've
triggered bugs without even noticing because the redundancy went right
around them) so I like to put that there even if it's the first item
for me.

Once you've added nice little labels so the user is presented with
something more useful than "mandriva", "fedora",
"fedx64", etc, you
might optionally want to add a like between the initial statements (eg
stuff like default, ontimeout, etc) and the first label that says MENU
TITLE and some sensable title.  Optional, but, kind of a nice touch. 
Well, save your file and try it all out at this point.  I may be
forgetting something, but, if I have I've forgotten it, so can't think
of what it is right now and think I'm done.  ^_^