forgive me.. i have no idea what im asking or if its possible... i have 2 partitions as follows and am using the std windows xp bootloader to boot xp - ntfs (windows xp) - fat16 stupid question is... can i use syslinux, isolinux, memdisk or some combo there of to place a bootable cdrom iso image on the fat16 partition and then have a boot menu with something to the effect of : 1) winxp as normal 2) bootable cd image thats on fat16 partition timeout : 30 secs to #1 choose : [1|2] : im assuming i need to replace my boot loader but am not certain how or with what... if anyone could take pity and explain if this is possible and how i would certainly appreciate it.. thnx in advance _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello.. Mike Brentlinger wrote:> stupid question is... can i use syslinux, isolinux, memdisk or some > combo there of to place a bootable cdrom iso image on the fat16 > partition and then have a boot menu with something to the effect of : > > 1) winxp as normal > 2) bootable cd image thats on fat16 partition > timeout : 30 secs to #1 > choose : [1|2] :Plain and Simple: No. The Problem here is that you want/need the 2nd choice to be an ISO image. Although someone out there wrote an El Torito stack (possibility to boot from the CD-Drive even if the Bios doesn't support it) - and I don't know if someone has translated it into a syslinux-useable tool - booting an ISO-*image* would need a CD-Drive Emulation. Enter [The Problem]: Even if you'd rewrite the existing El-Torito-Stack to work on an CD-Image, almost any Operating System would screw up on the CD-Drive Emulation. Or you'd really need to go into it's guts and write a driver for every OS you'd want to boot from a CD-Image... Well, If you'd be able to manufacture a Microcontroller that transparently emulates a CD-Drive, that also would also be a possibility - - but probably out of our range of options... Does it have to be an ISO image? Easiest thing would be to "reverse-Engineer" the Iso-Image and use its Parts to boot it somehow. bye Christian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA/LGW2gF1h3CVOsMRAuGBAKCkzpCHuyTkFWNWRGr0aAk2GKqMHACfaUPg hVjz05ZDUKKZR5GxS3LOmDE=o6ev -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Thanks for the info. I figured it was not an option. Your reverse engineer suggestion is a possiblity, just a hassel i was wondering if could be avoided. I actaually have 2 bootable isos that id like to use, both use syslinux/isolinux/memdisk (knoppix 3.4 and modboot http://www.nu2.nu/corpmodboot/). sounds like your suggesting i should exract the isos to seperate partitions and use lilo or grub or something to point to each somehow? forgive me if that made no sense thanks again for the info ----Original Message Follows---- From: Christian Marg <christian.marg at tu-clausthal.de> To: Mike Brentlinger <mdbrentlinger at hotmail.com> CC: syslinux at zytor.com Subject: Re: [syslinux] stupid question Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:45:58 +0200 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello.. Mike Brentlinger wrote: > stupid question is... can i use syslinux, isolinux, memdisk or some > combo there of to place a bootable cdrom iso image on the fat16 > partition and then have a boot menu with something to the effect of : > > 1) winxp as normal > 2) bootable cd image thats on fat16 partition > timeout : 30 secs to #1 > choose : [1|2] : Plain and Simple: No. The Problem here is that you want/need the 2nd choice to be an ISO image. Although someone out there wrote an El Torito stack (possibility to boot from the CD-Drive even if the Bios doesn't support it) - and I don't know if someone has translated it into a syslinux-useable tool - booting an ISO-*image* would need a CD-Drive Emulation. Enter [The Problem]: Even if you'd rewrite the existing El-Torito-Stack to work on an CD-Image, almost any Operating System would screw up on the CD-Drive Emulation. Or you'd really need to go into it's guts and write a driver for every OS you'd want to boot from a CD-Image... Well, If you'd be able to manufacture a Microcontroller that transparently emulates a CD-Drive, that also would also be a possibility - - but probably out of our range of options... Does it have to be an ISO image? Easiest thing would be to "reverse-Engineer" the Iso-Image and use its Parts to boot it somehow. bye Christian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA/LGW2gF1h3CVOsMRAuGBAKCkzpCHuyTkFWNWRGr0aAk2GKqMHACfaUPg hVjz05ZDUKKZR5GxS3LOmDE=o6ev -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
i may have just answered my own question by rtfm... it seems this is not the
answer for me unless i create a bootable fat16 partition, which is not what
i want to run XP off of.
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From: "Mike Brentlinger" <mdbrentlinger at hotmail.com>
To: christian.marg at tu-clausthal.de
CC: syslinux at zytor.com
Subject: Re: [syslinux] stupid question
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:23:55 -0400
Thanks for the info. I figured it was not an option. Your reverse engineer
suggestion is a possiblity, just a hassel i was wondering if could be
avoided.
I actaually have 2 bootable isos that id like to use, both use
syslinux/isolinux/memdisk (knoppix 3.4 and modboot
http://www.nu2.nu/corpmodboot/).
sounds like your suggesting i should exract the isos to seperate partitions
and use lilo or grub or something to point to each somehow? forgive me if
that made no sense
thanks again for the info
----Original Message Follows----
From: Christian Marg <christian.marg at tu-clausthal.de>
To: Mike Brentlinger <mdbrentlinger at hotmail.com>
CC: syslinux at zytor.com
Subject: Re: [syslinux] stupid question
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:45:58 +0200
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Hello..
Mike Brentlinger wrote:
> stupid question is... can i use syslinux, isolinux, memdisk or some
> combo there of to place a bootable cdrom iso image on the fat16
> partition and then have a boot menu with something to the effect of :
>
> 1) winxp as normal
> 2) bootable cd image thats on fat16 partition
> timeout : 30 secs to #1
> choose : [1|2] :
Plain and Simple: No.
The Problem here is that you want/need the 2nd choice to be an ISO
image. Although someone out there wrote an El Torito stack (possibility
to boot from the CD-Drive even if the Bios doesn't support it) - and I
don't know if someone has translated it into a syslinux-useable tool -
booting an ISO-*image* would need a CD-Drive Emulation.
Enter [The Problem]: Even if you'd rewrite the existing El-Torito-Stack
to work on an CD-Image, almost any Operating System would screw up on
the CD-Drive Emulation. Or you'd really need to go into it's guts and
write a driver for every OS you'd want to boot from a CD-Image...
Well, If you'd be able to manufacture a Microcontroller that
transparently emulates a CD-Drive, that also would also be a possibility
- - but probably out of our range of options...
Does it have to be an ISO image?
Easiest thing would be to "reverse-Engineer" the Iso-Image and use its
Parts to boot it somehow.
bye
Christian
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[quote] I actually have 2 bootable isos that id like to use, both use syslinux/isolinux/memdisk (knoppix 3.4 and modboot http://www.nu2.nu/corpmodboot/). [/quote] Knoppix is nothing special, cdrom-organisational spoken: *bootloader (isolinux) *kernel *initrd *zisofs-file (compressed ISO) All can be copied very easily to harddisk and the knoppix line from isolinux.cfg can almost be copied literally into SYSLINUX.CFG (syslinux, installed on fat12/16). Modboot is even easier, as it's a diskette image. Just use MEMDISK from the syslinux package. so what you want, boot Knoppix and MODBOOT from harddisk, is pretty easily done. Only caveat is that SYSLINUX wants every file in root of partition. Bernd ---------------------------------------------------------------- Op deze e-mail zijn de volgende voorwaarden van toepassing: http://www.fontys.nl/disclaimer The above disclaimer applies to this e-mail message. ----------------------------------------------------------------