Tom, I have been riding the benefits of shorewall for quite some time now. Geez one year ago I was a goof with ip-tables,Vpn''s et all and now just from being involved with shorewall I am at least competent. Thank YOU Tom!!! And a big shout out to everyone on this list as its a daily don''t miss read for me. I am not much of a programmer so I am not much help there. Samples I can handle I am sure as well as some of the grunt work that goes with documentation. (Don''t expect pretty graphical support but I have some artists here in my area I am tight with so maybe some of that can be arraigned) I run a T-1 network here (Owned By Myself) with some bandwidth to spare if the mailing list needs to move. Anything you or anyone else needs I am here and ready. Its not open source with out the support. I need to help more with support even if just to learn more. Francesca C. Smith Lady Linux Internet Services 1801 Bolton Street # 1 Baltimore, Md 21217