Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it at the top then, before the R-message? Something like: TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world. As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment enough for the original post:-) Best wishes, Ranjan ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop!
Top post as new thought: I just searched the archives, and there are less then 1000 emails about unsubscribing since 2003. There are more then 70% (guess) which have nothing to do with unsubscription, and about 19 (plus this one) mails in this thread... Counting the poccurrance of "unsubscribe" in the headers, I get about 30, which means 30 threads having "unsubscribe" or "Unsubscribe" in the header. Assuming that I missed all the "remove me ..." questions, I just triple the number of threads. So: this thread has one mail for three unsubscribe questions... Cheers, Rainer Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com> writes:> Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it at the top then, before the R-message? > > Something like: > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has > pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, > putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and > especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world. > > As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume > of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment > enough for the original post:-) > > Best wishes, > Ranjan > > ____________________________________________________________ > FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! >-- Rainer M. Krug email: Rainer<at>krugs<dot>de PGP: 0x0F52F982 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/attachments/20141201/37761a00/attachment.bin>
Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems, both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless subscribers).>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com> >>>>> on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes:> Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it at the top then, before the R-message? > Something like: > TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help Indeed, that is possible for mailman lists as I see. It looks ugly to me but I have been brought up in the age where civilized letters started (in English) with 'Dear ..' and e-mails were electronic letters.. and that age has gone... Shall we do that in spite of esthetic reasons? and keep the current footer? Martin > And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world. > As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment enough for the original post:-) > Best wishes, > Ranjan
I disagree that this message belongs at the top... That is rare in bulk mail I receive, and seems unnecessarily intrusive. Addition of the word "Unsubscribe" to clarify the function of the link seems in line with current use. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Newmiller The ..... ..... Go Live... DCN:<jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/Batteries O.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. On December 1, 2014 6:15:47 AM PST, Martin Maechler <maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:>Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems, >both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless >subscribers). > >>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com> >>>>>> on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes: > >> Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it >at the top then, before the R-message? > > Something like: > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >Indeed, that is possible for mailman lists as I see. >It looks ugly to me but I have been brought up in the age where >civilized letters started (in English) with 'Dear ..' and >e-mails were electronic letters.. and that age has gone... > >Shall we do that in spite of esthetic reasons? >and keep the current footer? > >Martin > >> And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has >pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, >putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and >especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world. > >> As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume >of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment >enough for the original post:-) > > > Best wishes, > > Ranjan > >______________________________________________ >R-help at r-project.org mailing list >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
On 01/12/2014 9:15 AM, Martin Maechler wrote:> Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems, > both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless subscribers). > > >>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com> > >>>>> on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes: > > > Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it at the top then, before the R-message? > > Something like: > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > Indeed, that is possible for mailman lists as I see. > It looks ugly to me but I have been brought up in the age where > civilized letters started (in English) with 'Dear ..' and > e-mails were electronic letters.. and that age has gone... > > Shall we do that in spite of esthetic reasons? > and keep the current footer?Please don't put something at the top of the message. I don't care if you add an extra line at the bottom (even if you YELL), but I often browse in a fairly small window, and I'd like to see what's at the top. Duncan Murdoch> > Martin > > > And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has pretty much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, putting stuff at the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and especially so in our 140-character-3-second attention-span world. > > > As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume of the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment enough for the original post:-) > > > Best wishes, > > Ranjan > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.