Puppet users - Dec 2012 - installing puppet via rubygems (not recommended?)

I have an old fedora 9 machine running ruby 1.9.2-p290, that I''d like
to
install puppet on to run as a master.  In the documentation it says that 
installing from rubygems is not recommended.  Is there are particular 
reason why its not recommended?  Installing from source is also not 
recommended, is that a better/worse/same alternative?

Thanks

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On 12/20/2012 07:16 PM, Dusty Doris wrote:
> I have an old fedora 9 machine running ruby 1.9.2-p290, that I''d
like to
> install puppet on to run as a master.  In the documentation it says that
> installing from rubygems is not recommended.  Is there are particular
> reason why its not recommended?  Installing from source is also not
> recommended, is that a better/worse/same alternative?
> 
If you''re going to use Puppet for learning only, than it''s ok
to use
whatever way do yo fancy.

But for production it''s generally a bad habit to mix up different
package systems. That practice will cost you dearly sooner or later.
Your OS has quality package management (rpm & yum) and you should always
manage software with it. If you''re managing larger infrastructure it
will pay off to package software into OS native packages and distribute
it that way.

Alternatively, you can always try and fetch SRC.RPM from puppetlabs and
rebuild them for Fedora 9.

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Thanks for the reply.  So there is nothing inherently wrong with the 
rubygems package that we would run into?  We already use rubygems for 
several services, so it seems like the easiest route for us.

Doing a yum install, it wanted to install version 0.24.  I will look into 
repackaging it though, that might work for us too.  

Thanks



On Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:38:13 PM UTC-5, Jakov Sosic
wrote:
>
> On 12/20/2012 07:16 PM, Dusty Doris wrote: 
> > I have an old fedora 9 machine running ruby 1.9.2-p290, that
I''d like to
> > install puppet on to run as a master.  In the documentation it says
that
> > installing from rubygems is not recommended.  Is there are particular 
> > reason why its not recommended?  Installing from source is also not 
> > recommended, is that a better/worse/same alternative? 
> > 
>
> If you''re going to use Puppet for learning only, than
it''s ok to use
> whatever way do yo fancy. 
>
> But for production it''s generally a bad habit to mix up different 
> package systems. That practice will cost you dearly sooner or later. 
> Your OS has quality package management (rpm & yum) and you should
always
> manage software with it. If you''re managing larger infrastructure
it
> will pay off to package software into OS native packages and distribute 
> it that way. 
>
> Alternatively, you can always try and fetch SRC.RPM from puppetlabs and 
> rebuild them for Fedora 9. 
>
>
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Also keep in mind that Ruby 1.9.2 can be problematic! 1.9.3 works great 
with puppet 3, 1.9.2 has some kind of complicated known issues with puppet 
2.7. 

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On Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:18:30 PM UTC-8, Nick Fagerlund
wrote:
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> Also keep in mind that Ruby 1.9.2 can be problematic! 1.9.3 works great 
> with puppet 3, 1.9.2 has some kind of complicated known issues with puppet 
> 2.7. 
>
(reference: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/platforms.html#ruby-versions) 

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On 12/20/2012 10:16 AM, Dusty Doris wrote:
> I have an old fedora 9 machine running ruby 1.9.2-p290, that I''d
like to
> install puppet on to run as a master.  In the documentation it says that
> installing from rubygems is not recommended.  Is there are particular
> reason why its not recommended?  Installing from source is also not
> recommended, is that a better/worse/same alternative?
If you''re dead set on using this box as a Puppet master, I''d
build it
all within RVM with Ruby 1.8.7 or 1.9.3 if Puppet 3.x and execute it 
inside Passenger/Rack. Should provide isolation from the Ruby you''ve 
compiled, 1.9.2, and let you use gems locally as well. You''d still have
to figure out how to run the agent, but the master should work.

Caveat to the above is that it''s non trivial to build.

Ramin

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On Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:45:42 PM UTC-6, Dusty Doris
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply.  So there is nothing inherently wrong with the 
> rubygems package that we would run into?  We already use rubygems for 
> several services, so it seems like the easiest route for us.
>
> Doing a yum install, it wanted to install version 0.24.  I will look into 
> repackaging it though, that might work for us too.  
>
>
The version offered to you, if any, is a matter of the yum repositories 
with which the system is configured.   Fedora 9 is pretty old, so PL no 
longer offers versions packaged specifically for that OS.  Fedora 9 is very 
close to RHEL 5, though, so one of the el5 repositories might be a good 
bet.  Specifically, try repo URL 
http://yum.puppetlabs.com/el/5/products/i386/ or 
http://yum.puppetlabs.com/el/5/products/x86_64/ for the main packages.

If yum cannot resolve all the needed dependencies then you could try adding 
http://yum.puppetlabs.com/el/5/dependencies/(i386|x86_64)/ as well.  You 
can also find source RPMs on that server if you poke around a little.  
Those would give you a good leg up if you decide to package Puppet yourself.


John

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