Nouveau - Sep 2018 - Google's Chrome Team might Blacklist Nouveau on Chromium

I thought you all would like to know that Google considers Nouveau to be
unstable and is now actively considering blacklisting. Please see this
issue on their issue tracker.

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=876523
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Well, I agree with them.
Nouveau is extremely unstable on my MacBook Pro with Nvidia 320M, freezing
all the time and draining a lot of battery.
Performance wise is not too bad tho.
There's plenty of reported bugs already around the web if someone wants to
investigate it.

Thanks
Megaf
https://www.megaf.info/

email: mmegaf at gmail.com
skype: eumegaf
discord: Megaf#6582


On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 at 04:06, Matthew Ary <matthewj.c.ary at gmail.com>
wrote:
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> I thought you all would like to know that Google considers Nouveau to be
> unstable and is now actively considering blacklisting. Please see this
> issue on their issue tracker.
>
> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=876523
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I don't think any nouveau dev would disagree with the choice for a 
software rendered browser over an unreliable browser. Insofar I still 
count as a nouveau dev, I'll back this decision because it benefits user 
experience.
What is disappointing though is that when I perform a search on our bug 
tracker (see [0] and [1]), I find precisely _one_ relevant bug. Shame on 
us for not following up on that one, but shame on the Chrome developers 
to decide they'd rather blacklist a driver than publicly* reach out and 
ask what's going on. Blacklisting 3D rendering on nouveau isn't going to
fix nouveau, it's a short-term improvement with no long term prospect.

On 26/09/18 11:25, Megaf wrote:
> Well, I agree with them.
> Nouveau is extremely unstable on my MacBook Pro with Nvidia 320M, 
> freezing all the time and draining a lot of battery.
> Performance wise is not too bad tho.
> There's plenty of reported bugs already around the web if someone 
> wants to investigate it.
Don't take this as personal criticism, I really appreciate the fact that 
you reach out and bring this to our attention. What I do wish to point 
out to anyone is that there are too many projects with too many bug 
trackers out there to track all of them. In reality nouveau devs monitor 
the nouveau bugtracker [2], and if you're lucky the tracker of their 
favourite distro. I don't believe it's feasible to expect driver devs to
track more - we're already grossly under"staffed". Sure, Chrome is
a
popular piece of software, but so is Firefox, LibreOffice, VirtualBox, 
Wine, Dolphin, Gnome Shell etc. etc... So my advice to anyone: if you 
want bugs actually fixed in nouveau, do your civil duty and file them in 
the nouveau bugtracker.

Roy

[0] 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=Driver%2Fnouveau&product=xorg&query_format=advanced&short_desc=chrome&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr
[1] 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=Drivers%2FDRI%2Fnouveau&product=Mesa&query_format=advanced&short_desc=chrome&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr
[2] https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs/

* I'm aware that a sizeable portion of the workforce behind nouveau is 
currently employed by Red Hat. What happens behind their scenes is 
unknown to me and other contributors...
>
> Thanks
> Megaf
> https://www.megaf.info/
>
> email: mmegaf at gmail.com <mailto:mmegaf at gmail.com>
> skype: eumegaf
> discord: Megaf#6582
>
>
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 at 04:06, Matthew Ary <matthewj.c.ary at gmail.com 
> <mailto:matthewj.c.ary at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     I thought you all would like to know that Google considers Nouveau
>     to be unstable and is now actively considering blacklisting.
>     Please see this issue on their issue tracker.
>
>     https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=876523
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