Dominik Montada via llvm-dev
2020-Oct-13 07:47 UTC
[llvm-dev] GlobalISel round table follow-up: multi-stage legalization
Hi Daniel, thanks for the follow-up! I left inline comments down below. Am 12.10.20 um 20:55 schrieb Daniel Sanders:>> One problem that some of us are seeing in the legalizer is that sometimes instructions get expanded before they get folded away in the combiner. IIRC Matt sees this happening with division, while I am seeing something similar with unmerge. > IIRC there were two main manifestations of it. For one it ends up at the same MIR but takes a slower-than-necessary route to get there. For the other it ends up with worse code which potentially can't be folded post-legalization.I see. In our case it is definitely the latter: we end with with worse-code, or rather we end up with code which cannot be legalized further and therefore stops the compilation.>> To my particular problem: due to the nature of the architecture I'm working with, we have pretty strict legalization rules. One example is that we only allow unmerges from 64 to 32 bit. Unmerges of 32-bit or less get lowered to bit-arithmetic. However if we would do the same for anything bigger than 64-bit, the legalization of the resulting bit arithmetic would introduce illegal unmerges again, which then cause an endless loop in the legalizer. > Are there particular >s64 cases that are the problem or is it all of them? I'd expect s128, s256, etc. to G_UNMERGE fairly simply but non-powers-of-2 are more likely to be trickyI only noticed this problem with non-power-of-2 cases. Particularly s96, which we often encounter for some reason.>> One of the ideas that was floated around yesterday sounded quite interesting to me: multi-stage legalization where you could specify which of your rules apply at which stage. I'm pretty sure this would solve our problem. In our case we would declare all artifacts as legal in the first stage to not hinder the combiner and in the second stage we could then focus on actually legalizing any left-over artifacts we have. >> >> I do however see the problem that this could clutter up the existing legalization info. Due to the amount of instructions and rules, it already is quite complex and if rules could apply to different stages in the same file, it could make it quite difficult to understand what exactly is happening now. > It would definitely add some clutter but I suspect it would be manageable. Essentially it would be a common ruleset for most operations and each pass would add its own version of the merge/unmerge rules.I think as long as most operations would use the common ruleset, it would indeed be manageable. But I suspect it would blow up significantly when the rule sets would largely differ. In those cases it would probably be better to allow a backend to define different legalization infos per stage. To be fair, I don't see a use-case for such a blown-up case at the moment, but if its fairly trivial, we shouldn't restrict backends too much here IMO.>> I think Aditya pointed out that multi-stage legalization might be already possible by just having two legalizer passes with different legalization info and I feel like this might be the better approach of the two. I guess this would still require some tweeks as currently in llc we can only say `-stop-before/after=legalizer` but not which one of those. > That's right. Each legalizer pass owns it's own ruleset so two passes is a possibility. The -stop-before/after bit has been solved for some other passes but it does need a bit of boilerplate. Each subclass needs it's own pass id and INITIALIZE_* macros and getPassName() needs to be overridable.Is there an existing example that I could look at? I would be fairly interested to try this out in our backend.>> Another thing I was thinking of when I implemented this hack for our use-case was that we need some kind of rule which tells the combiner that something is supported but is actually not doing any legalization in the legalizer (something like a `.combine()`, `.combineFor({s96})`). > I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Are you thinking of legalization rules for combining or something like legalization rules but for the combiner? Are you thinking of artifact combines in particular or more generally for combines?Here I was only thinking about artifact combines. So in your legalization info you would define your rule set for e.g. G_UNMERGE_VALUES like so: `.legalFor({...})[...].combine()` The `.combine()` would have no effect on the legalizer itself, i.e. it would only return something equivalent to `UnableToLegalize` when `legalizeInstrStep(MI)` is called. However it would have an effect on the LegalizationArtifactCombiner: when the artifact combiner asks whether the resulting instruction of some combine is supported (which only checks whether there is some legalization rule covering the resulting instruction), it would return true and therefore enable the combine. I hope that makes it a bit clearer what I meant by this.>> Cheers, >> >> Dominik >> >>-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dominik Montada Email: dominik.montada at hightec-rt.com HighTec EDV-Systeme GmbH Phone: +49 681 92613 19 Europaallee 19 Fax: +49-681-92613-26 D-66113 Saarbrücken WWW: http://www.hightec-rt.com Managing Director: Vera Strothmann Register Court: Saarbrücken, HRB 10445, VAT ID: DE 138344222 This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. 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Daniel Sanders via llvm-dev
2020-Oct-19 17:33 UTC
[llvm-dev] GlobalISel round table follow-up: multi-stage legalization
> On 13 Oct 2020, at 00:47, Dominik Montada <dominik.montada at hightec-rt.com> wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > thanks for the follow-up! I left inline comments down below. > > Am 12.10.20 um 20:55 schrieb Daniel Sanders: >>> One problem that some of us are seeing in the legalizer is that sometimes instructions get expanded before they get folded away in the combiner. IIRC Matt sees this happening with division, while I am seeing something similar with unmerge. >> IIRC there were two main manifestations of it. For one it ends up at the same MIR but takes a slower-than-necessary route to get there. For the other it ends up with worse code which potentially can't be folded post-legalization. > I see. In our case it is definitely the latter: we end with with worse-code, or rather we end up with code which cannot be legalized further and therefore stops the compilation. >>> To my particular problem: due to the nature of the architecture I'm working with, we have pretty strict legalization rules. One example is that we only allow unmerges from 64 to 32 bit. Unmerges of 32-bit or less get lowered to bit-arithmetic. However if we would do the same for anything bigger than 64-bit, the legalization of the resulting bit arithmetic would introduce illegal unmerges again, which then cause an endless loop in the legalizer. >> Are there particular >s64 cases that are the problem or is it all of them? I'd expect s128, s256, etc. to G_UNMERGE fairly simply but non-powers-of-2 are more likely to be tricky > I only noticed this problem with non-power-of-2 cases. Particularly s96, which we often encounter for some reason.Does it go straight to bit arithmetic or pass through some steps first? I'd expect something like s96 to unmerge to 3x s32, then the first two might merge to form {s64, s32}.>>> One of the ideas that was floated around yesterday sounded quite interesting to me: multi-stage legalization where you could specify which of your rules apply at which stage. I'm pretty sure this would solve our problem. In our case we would declare all artifacts as legal in the first stage to not hinder the combiner and in the second stage we could then focus on actually legalizing any left-over artifacts we have. >>> >>> I do however see the problem that this could clutter up the existing legalization info. Due to the amount of instructions and rules, it already is quite complex and if rules could apply to different stages in the same file, it could make it quite difficult to understand what exactly is happening now. >> It would definitely add some clutter but I suspect it would be manageable. Essentially it would be a common ruleset for most operations and each pass would add its own version of the merge/unmerge rules. > I think as long as most operations would use the common ruleset, it would indeed be manageable. But I suspect it would blow up significantly when the rule sets would largely differ. In those cases it would probably be better to allow a backend to define different legalization infos per stage. To be fair, I don't see a use-case for such a blown-up case at the moment, but if its fairly trivial, we shouldn't restrict backends too much here IMO.I agree. I think the only place we assume there's only one at the moment is in Legalizer::runOnMachineFunction() where it asks the subtarget for the LegalizerInfo. As long as we can do something about that I'd expect it to work whether you have common function to set them up or be entirely independent.>>> I think Aditya pointed out that multi-stage legalization might be already possible by just having two legalizer passes with different legalization info and I feel like this might be the better approach of the two. I guess this would still require some tweeks as currently in llc we can only say `-stop-before/after=legalizer` but not which one of those. >> That's right. Each legalizer pass owns it's own ruleset so two passes is a possibility. The -stop-before/after bit has been solved for some other passes but it does need a bit of boilerplate. Each subclass needs it's own pass id and INITIALIZE_* macros and getPassName() needs to be overridable. > Is there an existing example that I could look at? I would be fairly interested to try this out in our backend.AArch64PreLegalizerCombiner/AArch64PostLegalizerCombiner use a method where they define the pass and delegate into a common implementation. It's not the one I was looking for (I remember seeing SelectionDAG use this method somewhere too) but X86ExecutionDomainFix does the minimal subclass method>>> Another thing I was thinking of when I implemented this hack for our use-case was that we need some kind of rule which tells the combiner that something is supported but is actually not doing any legalization in the legalizer (something like a `.combine()`, `.combineFor({s96})`). >> I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Are you thinking of legalization rules for combining or something like legalization rules but for the combiner? Are you thinking of artifact combines in particular or more generally for combines? > Here I was only thinking about artifact combines. So in your legalization info you would define your rule set for e.g. G_UNMERGE_VALUES like so: `.legalFor({...})[...].combine()` The `.combine()` would have no effect on the legalizer itself, i.e. it would only return something equivalent to `UnableToLegalize` when `legalizeInstrStep(MI)` is called. However it would have an effect on the LegalizationArtifactCombiner: when the artifact combiner asks whether the resulting instruction of some combine is supported (which only checks whether there is some legalization rule covering the resulting instruction), it would return true and therefore enable the combine. I hope that makes it a bit clearer what I meant by this.Ah I think I see. I think you effectively want to turn `!isInstUnsupported() || combineExists()`. The main snag with this is that combines aren't guaranteed to change the original instruction and if it fails to do so there'd be no legalization rule to ensure the unsupported instruction is eliminated. We'd therefore have to fail to compile. I think we can achieve the same effect without the new mechanism via custom() where the mutation function (which is currently a monolithic function but I've wanted to change that for a while*) calls functions from LegalizationArtifactCombiner(). That mutation function would be able to add the necessary guarantees that _something_ happens to eliminate the original instruction even though the combiner itself doesn't. *Incidentally, we really ought to find some time to get rid of the old setAction() mechanism>>> Cheers, >>> >>> Dominik >>> >>> > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dominik Montada Email: dominik.montada at hightec-rt.com > HighTec EDV-Systeme GmbH Phone: +49 681 92613 19 > Europaallee 19 Fax: +49-681-92613-26 > D-66113 Saarbrücken WWW: http://www.hightec-rt.com > > Managing Director: Vera Strothmann > Register Court: Saarbrücken, HRB 10445, VAT ID: DE 138344222 > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If > you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately > and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or > distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. > --- >
Dominik Montada via llvm-dev
2020-Oct-23 16:56 UTC
[llvm-dev] GlobalISel round table follow-up: multi-stage legalization
Am 19.10.20 um 19:33 schrieb Daniel Sanders:>> On 13 Oct 2020, at 00:47, Dominik Montada <dominik.montada at hightec-rt.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Daniel, >> >> thanks for the follow-up! I left inline comments down below. >> >> Am 12.10.20 um 20:55 schrieb Daniel Sanders: >>>> One problem that some of us are seeing in the legalizer is that sometimes instructions get expanded before they get folded away in the combiner. IIRC Matt sees this happening with division, while I am seeing something similar with unmerge. >>> IIRC there were two main manifestations of it. For one it ends up at the same MIR but takes a slower-than-necessary route to get there. For the other it ends up with worse code which potentially can't be folded post-legalization. >> I see. In our case it is definitely the latter: we end with with worse-code, or rather we end up with code which cannot be legalized further and therefore stops the compilation. >>>> To my particular problem: due to the nature of the architecture I'm working with, we have pretty strict legalization rules. One example is that we only allow unmerges from 64 to 32 bit. Unmerges of 32-bit or less get lowered to bit-arithmetic. However if we would do the same for anything bigger than 64-bit, the legalization of the resulting bit arithmetic would introduce illegal unmerges again, which then cause an endless loop in the legalizer. >>> Are there particular >s64 cases that are the problem or is it all of them? I'd expect s128, s256, etc. to G_UNMERGE fairly simply but non-powers-of-2 are more likely to be tricky >> I only noticed this problem with non-power-of-2 cases. Particularly s96, which we often encounter for some reason. > Does it go straight to bit arithmetic or pass through some steps first? I'd expect something like s96 to unmerge to 3x s32, then the first two might merge to form {s64, s32}.That depends. LegalizerHelper only supports legalization actions on the result type of the unmerge (i.e the smaller type) and the only supported operations are widen, lower and fewer or more elements. So if we have an unmerge from s96 to 3 x s32 for example, then the result type is already exactly what we want to see and there is no other supported legalizer action that makes sense for us, except to go straight to bit-arithmetic. If on the other hand we have an unmerge to something smaller then s32, we widen and can either end up with another non-power-of-2 with the same problem or we get lucky, end up with a power-of-2 type and everything goes away nicely.>>>> One of the ideas that was floated around yesterday sounded quite interesting to me: multi-stage legalization where you could specify which of your rules apply at which stage. I'm pretty sure this would solve our problem. In our case we would declare all artifacts as legal in the first stage to not hinder the combiner and in the second stage we could then focus on actually legalizing any left-over artifacts we have. >>>> >>>> I do however see the problem that this could clutter up the existing legalization info. Due to the amount of instructions and rules, it already is quite complex and if rules could apply to different stages in the same file, it could make it quite difficult to understand what exactly is happening now. >>> It would definitely add some clutter but I suspect it would be manageable. Essentially it would be a common ruleset for most operations and each pass would add its own version of the merge/unmerge rules. >> I think as long as most operations would use the common ruleset, it would indeed be manageable. But I suspect it would blow up significantly when the rule sets would largely differ. In those cases it would probably be better to allow a backend to define different legalization infos per stage. To be fair, I don't see a use-case for such a blown-up case at the moment, but if its fairly trivial, we shouldn't restrict backends too much here IMO. > I agree. I think the only place we assume there's only one at the moment is in Legalizer::runOnMachineFunction() where it asks the subtarget for the LegalizerInfo. As long as we can do something about that I'd expect it to work whether you have common function to set them up or be entirely independent.Sounds like it should be easy to ask the subtarget for the LegalizerInfo for stage X and then it would be up to the subtarget to either return the same one or a different one.>>>> I think Aditya pointed out that multi-stage legalization might be already possible by just having two legalizer passes with different legalization info and I feel like this might be the better approach of the two. I guess this would still require some tweeks as currently in llc we can only say `-stop-before/after=legalizer` but not which one of those. >>> That's right. Each legalizer pass owns it's own ruleset so two passes is a possibility. The -stop-before/after bit has been solved for some other passes but it does need a bit of boilerplate. Each subclass needs it's own pass id and INITIALIZE_* macros and getPassName() needs to be overridable. >> Is there an existing example that I could look at? I would be fairly interested to try this out in our backend. > AArch64PreLegalizerCombiner/AArch64PostLegalizerCombiner use a method where they define the pass and delegate into a common implementation. > > It's not the one I was looking for (I remember seeing SelectionDAG use this method somewhere too) but X86ExecutionDomainFix does the minimal subclass methodThanks! I'll take a look and try it out when I find the time :)> >>>> Another thing I was thinking of when I implemented this hack for our use-case was that we need some kind of rule which tells the combiner that something is supported but is actually not doing any legalization in the legalizer (something like a `.combine()`, `.combineFor({s96})`). >>> I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Are you thinking of legalization rules for combining or something like legalization rules but for the combiner? Are you thinking of artifact combines in particular or more generally for combines? >> Here I was only thinking about artifact combines. So in your legalization info you would define your rule set for e.g. G_UNMERGE_VALUES like so: `.legalFor({...})[...].combine()` The `.combine()` would have no effect on the legalizer itself, i.e. it would only return something equivalent to `UnableToLegalize` when `legalizeInstrStep(MI)` is called. However it would have an effect on the LegalizationArtifactCombiner: when the artifact combiner asks whether the resulting instruction of some combine is supported (which only checks whether there is some legalization rule covering the resulting instruction), it would return true and therefore enable the combine. I hope that makes it a bit clearer what I meant by this. > Ah I think I see. I think you effectively want to turn `!isInstUnsupported() || combineExists()`. The main snag with this is that combines aren't guaranteed to change the original instruction and if it fails to do so there'd be no legalization rule to ensure the unsupported instruction is eliminated. We'd therefore have to fail to compile.Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here, but isn't that already the case now? Artifacts are tried to combine, then they are tried to legalize. If both of these things fail and the surrounding code hasn't changed as well, we fail to compile.> I think we can achieve the same effect without the new mechanism via custom() where the mutation function (which is currently a monolithic function but I've wanted to change that for a while*) calls functions from LegalizationArtifactCombiner(). That mutation function would be able to add the necessary guarantees that _something_ happens to eliminate the original instruction even though the combiner itself doesn't.I assume with mutation function you mean the functions that actually change the original instruction, like for example a `widenScalar`? If so, I agree that it would be nice to gain more fine-grained control over how combines are done by having them call functions from LegalizationArtifactCombiner. I don't see however how that means that it could add necessary guarantees?> *Incidentally, we really ought to find some time to get rid of the old setAction() mechanism > >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Dominik >>>> >>>> >> -- >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dominik Montada Email: dominik.montada at hightec-rt.com >> HighTec EDV-Systeme GmbH Phone: +49 681 92613 19 >> Europaallee 19 Fax: +49-681-92613-26 >> D-66113 Saarbrücken WWW: http://www.hightec-rt.com >> >> Managing Director: Vera Strothmann >> Register Court: Saarbrücken, HRB 10445, VAT ID: DE 138344222 >> >> This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If >> you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately >> and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or >> distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. >> --- >> >-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dominik Montada Email: dominik.montada at hightec-rt.com HighTec EDV-Systeme GmbH Phone: +49 681 92613 19 Europaallee 19 Fax: +49-681-92613-26 D-66113 Saarbrücken WWW: http://www.hightec-rt.com Managing Director: Vera Strothmann Register Court: Saarbrücken, HRB 10445, VAT ID: DE 138344222 This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. --- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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