Simon Pilgrim via llvm-dev
2018-Dec-10 21:40 UTC
[llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca.
Hi Matt, I can see a near future where perf-analysis tooling uses branch history profiler captures to determine how often loops/branches are taken and feeds that into llvm-mca, especially for hot/branchy loop analysis reports etc. Are you confident that your approach will be easily extendable for this? Similarly, being able to generally embed the profile markers in object libraries for reuse is going to be important for some people - I'd like to see more of a plan of how this will be achieved. I understand that it might not be easy for some exe formats. Sorry if I'm being too critical, but I'm a bit worried that we end up with an initial implementation that will take a lot of reworking to meet our final aims. Thanks, Simon. On 10/12/2018 19:32, Matt Davis wrote:> Thanks for the feedback Guillaume and Clement! > > In response to Clement: > >>> In terms of future-proofness of only allowing regions within a basic >>> block, are we confident we can actually ever simulate branches apart from >>> "always taken, perfectly predicated" loop ? Even this simple need requires >>> knowing quite a few details on the frontend. The current design could >>> handle this use case with the addition of an external "loop mode" option to >>> MCA. If there are no other strong use cases, I would advocate for >>> experimental intrinsics unless people can contribute other example use >>> cases. > In short, I am in agreement and think that handling of branching or loop > constructs should be isolated to the llvm-mca driver/front-end. The > only thing the code regions should be concerned with is identifying > blocks of instructions that will later be used by the front end. > > We can place limitations to how those blocks are formed. For example the > current implementation forces regions to be isolated to a single basic > block. However, we anticipate lifting this restriction once branching > is handled. > > -Matt > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:15:46PM +0100, Guillaume Chatelet wrote: >> +1 to what Clement said. >> I believe the intrinsics are a better design to support many architectures. >> >> IACA users are probably decorating their code with IACA_START / IACA_END >> macros. One possibility is to provide a header that define these macros in >> terms of the new intrinsics. >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:59 PM Clement Courbet <courbet at google.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Matt/Andrea, >>> >>> I see pros and cons for IACA-style markers vs intrinsics. >>> On the one hand, IACA-style markers are very magical, and not very visible >>> in both the source and object code. Using IACA-style markers has the >>> advantage that you can use llvm-mca as a drop-in replacement for IACA, or >>> even to compare their outputs on the exact same binary. They also do not >>> require tooling on the compiler side and allow comparing the output of >>> several compilers. >>> >> On the other hand, IACA-style markers do not have a equivalent on other >>> architectures, and I'm not sure inventing new ones is a good idea :) I >>> think the latter makes them pretty much a no-go for llvm-mca as I don't >>> think we'll want to teach each target how to parse code regions. That's >>> much better handled in a target-agnostic way by the object. Intel got away >>> with them because they only had to support one architecture. >>> >>> tl;dr: In the case of llvm-mca, I like your design better than the markers. >>> >>> In terms of future-proofness of only allowing regions within a basic >>> block, are we confident we can actually ever simulate branches apart from >>> "always taken, perfectly predicated" loop ? Even this simple need requires >>> knowing quite a few details on the frontend. The current design could >>> handle this use case with the addition of an external "loop mode" option to >>> MCA. If there are no other strong use cases, I would advocate for >>> experimental intrinsics unless people can contribute other example use >>> cases. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:38 PM Matt Davis <matthew.davis at sony.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Andrea, >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 01:21:33PM +0000, Andrea Di Biagio wrote: >>>>> So, I have been thinking a bit more about this whole design. >>>>> >>>>> The more I think about your suggested design, the more I am convinced >>>> that >>>>> we should do something more to support ranges in binary object files >>>> too. >>>>> My understanding is that the reason why we don't support object files in >>>>> general, is because of the presence of relocations. That is because a >>>>> region start marker is effectively symbol relative, and the symbol (a >>>>> function) would be relocated in the final executable. >>>>> You mentioned to me that resolving even a 'simple' symbol-relative >>>>> relocation is not trivial, beause it requires specific knowledge about >>>> the >>>>> binary format, and the target (i.e. how relocations are encoded is >>>> target >>>>> specific). I am surprised that there is not a utility library for >>>> resolving >>>>> relocations.. but I am not familiar with that part of the compiler. I >>>> was >>>>> hoping that there was a target specific interface to use in this case... >>>> There might be a better way of resolving the relocs, but from what I saw >>>> looking at llvm-objdump and other related tools, it seems that resolving >>>> the relocated symbol is a target specific effort. I also spent sometime >>>> sniffing around ExecutionEngine/RuntimeDyld/RuntimeDyld.cpp which also >>>> performs the reloc resolution. I should clarify that I too am not an >>>> expert in llvm's utilities for performing symbol/reloc resolution, and >>>> perhaps someone in the community can point me in the right direction. I >>>> can clearly see the reloc data in the object file via tools like >>>> objdump; however, accessing the relocs via >>>> llvm::object::ObjectFile::relocations() did not produce address values >>>> that we could use (values of zero). >>>> >>>> I was hoping that, for a first pass at this patch, supporting just >>>> executables would be okay. That keeps this initial patch set simple, >>>> and hopefully will encourage others to take a peek at it, since it's >>>> less daunting than what it might otherwise be. Of course, there is the >>>> concern that this initial patch will lock us into a design that will be >>>> more complicated to unravel later. >>>> >>>>> An alternative approach would require that you define your own >>>>> "symbol-relative" reference. After all, ranges are just a sequences of >>>>> instructions in a function. If a function symbol is described by the >>>> symbol >>>>> table, then you should be able to obtain its offset in the .text >>>> section. >>>>> So, you could potentially encode your own symbol+offset. However, the >>>>> linker would not be able to understand your "custom relocation", and >>>>> information about regions in the final elf would be basically broken. >>>>> So,that would not be a solution... >>>>> >>>>> I don't know honestly what is the best approach to use in this case. >>>>> As a compromise, it would not be a bad idea to add the ability to >>>> specify >>>>> ranges from command line. What do you think? >>>>> Still, from a user point of view, the idea that we don't support object >>>>> files in general sounds like a big limitation. >>>> I agree, only supporting executables is a limitation. However, I'd >>>> like to land the base support now and add in the additional >>>> features/support after this large patch set lands. But I can see >>>> where landing the whole thing entirely also makes sense. >>>> >>>>> About the new experimental intrinsics: those would definitely work well >>>> for >>>>> the simple case where instructions are from the same basic block. >>>>> However, some/most of the constraints that you plan to add will have to >>>>> change if in future we decide to allow ranges that potentially cross >>>>> multiple basic blocks. How will the rules/constraints on those new >>>>> intrinsics change? I just want to make sure that the suggested design is >>>>> future-proof. >>>> Since the llvm/clang parts of the code are just responsible for >>>> collecting where a range starts/ends, I hope that we can remove some >>>> of the baked-in constraints that are specified in IR/Verifier.cpp. >>>> As you pointed out earlier in this thread, we might want to >>>> introduce a dominance check if/when we lift the one-basic-block >>>> restriction. >>>> >>>> -Matt >>>> >>>>> -Andrea >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:08 PM Andrea Di Biagio < >>>> andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for clarifying it Matt. >>>>>> >>>>>> In general, I quite like your suggested design. >>>>>> >>>>>> My only concern is about the semantic of the two new intrinsics. You >>>>>> design doesn't allow mca ranges to span through multiple basic >>>> blocks. That >>>>>> constraint is acceptable for now, since llvm-mca doesn't know how to >>>> deal >>>>>> with control flow. >>>>>> However, I am a bit concerned about what might happen in future if we >>>>>> decide to let users specify code regions that span through multiple >>>> basic >>>>>> blocks. Basically, I don't particularly like the idea of changing the >>>>>> semantic of already existing intrinsic. A design that already >>>> accounts for >>>>>> that particular scenario/future work would be ideal. That being said, >>>>>> marking those new intrinsics as 'experimental' may be a good >>>> compromise (at >>>>>> least for now). >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I am quite happy overall with the direction of this RFC. >>>>>> However, I am interesting to hear from other developers about your >>>>>> suggested design. >>>>>> >>>>>>> This initial patch only targets ELF object files, and does not >>>> handle >>>>>> relocatable addresses. Since the start of a code region is >>>> represented as >>>>>> an >>>>>> assembly label, and referenced in the .mca_code_regions section, that >>>>>> address >>>>>> is relocatable. >>>>>> >>>>>> This may be okay for now. However, it would be nice to remove that >>>>>> constraint in future and add support to generic object files. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Andrea >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 7:21 PM <Matthew.Davis at sony.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to clarify a few restrictions of llvm-mca code regions that >>>> this >>>>>>> RFC proposes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) All llvm-mca code regions must start with an >>>>>>> llvm.mca.code.region.start intrinsic and end with >>>>>>> an llvm.mca.code.region.end intrinsic. This rule is enforced at the >>>> IR >>>>>>> level in the IR verifier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) llvm-mca code regions cannot nest. This restriction implies that >>>> an >>>>>>> llvm.mca.code.region.start >>>>>>> must have a llvm.mca.code.region.end intrinsic without any other >>>> llvm.mca >>>>>>> start intrinsics >>>>>>> between the two. The current implementation in the patch enforces >>>> this >>>>>>> restriction at the >>>>>>> IR level via the IR Verifier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) An llvm-mca code region cannot span multiple basic blocks. >>>> llvm-mca >>>>>>> does not follow >>>>>>> branches (yet). Instead, a branch instruction is treated by llvm-mca >>>>>>> like any other instruction. >>>>>>> The current patch associated with this RFC does not enforce this >>>>>>> restriction. I plan on updating >>>>>>> the patch to enforce that a code region can only belong to a single >>>> basic >>>>>>> block. This is a simple >>>>>>> check, ensuring that both the llvm.mca.code.region.start and >>>> accompanying >>>>>>> end intrinsics live >>>>>>> in the same basic block. I imagine adding this check at the IR level >>>> when >>>>>>> we also verify points 1 and 2 >>>>>>> above. That will keep the code-region verification logic isolated >>>> to the >>>>>>> IR verifier. The start/end >>>>>>> intrinsics should not have any uses, so I'm not sure that they would >>>> be >>>>>>> moved/sunk on behalf >>>>>>> of any other instruction. In other words, I do not imagine that a >>>> start >>>>>>> and end would be split >>>>>>> apart due to later MI optimizations. If I discover that such a case >>>>>>> occurs, then I might add the >>>>>>> basic-block check prior to emitting the code region data to the >>>> object >>>>>>> file. Once llvm-mca is >>>>>>> updated to handle branches, then we can remove this constraint. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Matt >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> On Behalf Of Matt >>>>>>> Davis via llvm- >>>>>>>> dev >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:47 AM >>>>>>>> To: Andrea Di Biagio <andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Cc: llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Di Biagio, Andrea >>>>>>>> <Andrea.Dibiagio at sony.com>; cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to >>>>>>> llvm-mca. >>>>>>>> Hi Andrea, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your input. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:43:52PM +0000, Andrea Di Biagio wrote: >>>>>>>> [... snip ...] >>>>>>>>> About the suggested design: >>>>>>>>> I like the idea of being able to identify code regions using a >>>> numeric >>>>>>>>> identifier. >>>>>>>>> However, what happens if a code region spans through multiple >>>> basic >>>>>>> blocks? >>>>>>>> The current patch does not take into consideration cases where the >>>>>>>> region start and end intrinsics are placed in different basic >>>> blocks. >>>>>>>> Such would be the case if a region is defined to span multiple >>>> blocks. >>>>>>>> This would be similar to the current case where a user places a >>>>>>>> #LLVM-MCA-BEGIN assembly comment in one block and an #LLVM-MCA-END >>>> in >>>>>>>> another. However, as you point out below, if the user does this >>>> in the >>>>>>>> source code via intrinsics (just what this patch is proposing), >>>> then >>>>>>>> there is a chance that optimizations might change the layout of the >>>>>>>> instructions and confuse the ordering of the MCA intrinsics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since MCA does not follow branches (MCA just treats a branch as it >>>> would >>>>>>>> a non-branching instruction), it seems that a user should be aware >>>> that >>>>>>>> defining MCA code regions that span multiple blocks might result >>>> in an >>>>>>>> unexpected analysis. While we do not discourage this, it seems >>>> like >>>>>>>> such a case will probably not produce an expected result for the >>>> user. >>>>>>>> We could introduce a warning, or automatically divide the regions >>>> so >>>>>>>> that a single region can only contain a single block. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My understanding is that code regions are not allowed to >>>> overlap. So, >>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> makes sense if ` __mca_code_region_end()` doesn't take an ID as >>>> input. >>>>>>>>> However, what if ` __mca_code_region_end()` ends in a different >>>> basic >>>>>>> block? >>>>>>>>> `__mca_code_region_start()` has to always dominate ` >>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_end()`. This is trivial to verify when both >>>> calls >>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>> a same basic block; however, we need to make sure that the >>>>>>> relationship is >>>>>>>>> still the same when the `end()` call is in a different basic >>>> block. >>>>>>>>> That would not be enough. I think we should also verify that ` >>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_end()` always post-dominates the call to >>>>>>>>> `__mca_code_region_start()`. >>>>>>>> In any case this patch should probably check dominance of the >>>>>>>> intrinsics, even though MCA does not follow branches and MCA does >>>> not >>>>>>>> not explicitly forbid a region from containing multiple blocks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My question is: what happens with basic block reordering? We >>>> don't >>>>>>> know the >>>>>>>>> layout of basic blocks until we reach code emission. How does it >>>> work >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> regions that span through multiple basic blocks?. I think your >>>> RFC >>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> clarify this aspect. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As a side note: at the moment, llvm-mca doesn't know how to deal >>>> with >>>>>>>>> branches. So, for simplicity we could force code regions to only >>>>>>> contain >>>>>>>>> instructions from a single basic block. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, In future we may want to teach llvm-mca how to analyze >>>>>>> branchy >>>>>>>>> code too. For example, we could introduce a simple control-flow >>>>>>> analysis in >>>>>>>>> llvm-mca, and use an external "branch trace" information (for >>>>>>> example, a >>>>>>>>> perf trace generated by an external tool) to decorate branches >>>> with >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> branch probabilities (similarly to what we currently do in LLVM >>>> with >>>>>>> PGO). >>>>>>>>> We could then use that knowledge to model branch prediction and >>>>>>> simulate >>>>>>>>> what happens in the presence of multiple branches. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, the idea of having regions that potentially span multiple >>>> basic >>>>>>> blocks >>>>>>>>> is not bad in general. However, I think you should better clarify >>>>>>> what are >>>>>>>>> the constraints (at least, you should answer to my questions from >>>>>>> before). >>>>>>>> I agree! Thanks for pointing that out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we decide to use those new intrinsics, then those should be >>>>>>> experimental >>>>>>>>> (at least to start). >>>>>>>> Agreed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Matt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:07 PM via llvm-dev < >>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Introduction >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>>>> Currently llvm-mca only accepts assembly code as input. We >>>> would >>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>> extend llvm-mca to support object files, allowing users to >>>> analyze >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> performance of binaries. The proposed changes (which involve >>>> both >>>>>>>>>> clang and llvm) optionally introduce an object file section, >>>> but >>>>>>> this can >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> stripped-out if desired. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For the llvm-mca binary support feature to be useful, a user >>>> needs >>>>>>> to tell >>>>>>>>>> llvm-mca which portions of their code they would like analyzed. >>>>>>> Currently, >>>>>>>>>> this is accomplished via assembly comments. However, assembly >>>>>>> comments are >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> preserved in object files, and this has encouraged this RFC. >>>> For the >>>>>>>>>> proposed >>>>>>>>>> binary support, we need to introduce changes to clang and llvm >>>> to >>>>>>> allow the >>>>>>>>>> user's object code to be recognized by llvm-mca: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * We need a way for a user to identify a region/block of code >>>> they >>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>> analyzed by llvm-mca. >>>>>>>>>> * We need the information defining the user's region of code >>>> to be >>>>>>>>>> maintained >>>>>>>>>> in the object file so that llvm-mca can analyze the desired >>>>>>> region(s) >>>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>>> object file. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We define a "code region" as a subset of a user's program that >>>> is >>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>> analyzed via llvm-mca. The sequence of instructions to be >>>> analyzed >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> represented as a pair: <start, end> where the 'start' marks the >>>>>>> beginning >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the user's source code and 'end' terminates the sequence. The >>>>>>> instructions >>>>>>>>>> between 'start' and 'end' form the region that can be analyzed >>>> by >>>>>>> llvm-mca >>>>>>>>>> at a >>>>>>>>>> later time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Example >>>>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>>>> Before we go into the details of this proposed change, let's >>>> first >>>>>>> look at >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> simple example: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> // example.c -- Analyze a dot-product expression. >>>>>>>>>> double test(double x, double y) { >>>>>>>>>> double result = 0.0; >>>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_start(42); >>>>>>>>>> result += x * y; >>>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_end(); >>>>>>>>>> return result; >>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In the example above, we have identified a code region, in this >>>>>>> case a >>>>>>>>>> single >>>>>>>>>> dot-product expression. For the sake of brevity and simplicity, >>>>>>> we've >>>>>>>>>> chosen >>>>>>>>>> a very simple example, but in reality a more complicated >>>> example >>>>>>> could use >>>>>>>>>> multiple expressions. We have also denoted this region as >>>> number >>>>>>> 42. That >>>>>>>>>> identifier is only for the user, and simplifies reading an >>>> llvm-mca >>>>>>>>>> analysis >>>>>>>>>> report later. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When this code is compiled, the region markers (the >>>> mca_code_region >>>>>>>>>> markers) >>>>>>>>>> are transformed into assembly labels. While the markers are >>>>>>> presented as >>>>>>>>>> function calls, in reality they are no-ops. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> test: >>>>>>>>>> pushq %rbp >>>>>>>>>> movq %rsp, %rbp >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm0, -8(%rbp) >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm1, -16(%rbp) >>>>>>>>>> .Lmca_code_region_start_0: # LLVM-MCA-START ID: 42 >>>>>>>>>> xorps %xmm0, %xmm0 >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm0, -24(%rbp) >>>>>>>>>> movsd -8(%rbp), %xmm0 >>>>>>>>>> mulsd -16(%rbp), %xmm0 >>>>>>>>>> addsd -24(%rbp), %xmm0 >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm0, -24(%rbp) >>>>>>>>>> .Lmca_code_region_end_0: # LLVM-MCA-END ID: 42 >>>>>>>>>> movsd -24(%rbp), %xmm0 >>>>>>>>>> popq %rbp >>>>>>>>>> retq >>>>>>>>>> .section .mca_code_regions,"", at progbits >>>>>>>>>> .quad 42 >>>>>>>>>> .quad .Lmca_code_region_start_0 >>>>>>>>>> .quad .Lmca_code_region_end_0-.Lmca_code_region_start_0 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The assembly has been trimmed to show the portions relevant to >>>> this >>>>>>> RFC. >>>>>>>>>> Notice the labels enclose the user's defined region, and that >>>> they >>>>>>>>>> preserve the >>>>>>>>>> user's arbitrary region identifier, the ever-so-important >>>> region 42. >>>>>>>>>> In the object file section .mca_code_regions, we have noted the >>>>>>> user's >>>>>>>>>> region >>>>>>>>>> identifier (.quad 42), start address, and region size. A more >>>>>>> complicated >>>>>>>>>> example can have multiple regions defined within a single >>>>>>> .mca_code_regions >>>>>>>>>> section. This section can be read by llvm-mca, allowing >>>> llvm-mca to >>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>> object files as input instead of assembly source. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Details >>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>> We need a way for a user to identify a region/block of code >>>> they >>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>> analyzed >>>>>>>>>> by llvm-mca. We solve this problem by introducing two >>>> intrinsics >>>>>>> that a >>>>>>>>>> user can >>>>>>>>>> specify, for identifying regions of code for analysis. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The two intrinsics are: llvm.mca.code.regions.start and >>>>>>>>>> llvm.mca.code.regions.end. A user can identify a code region by >>>>>>> inserting >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> mca_code_region_start and mca_code_region_end markers. These >>>> are >>>>>>> simply >>>>>>>>>> clang builtins and are transformed into the aforementioned >>>>>>> intrinsics >>>>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>>>> compilation. The code between the intrinsics are what we call >>>> "code >>>>>>>>>> regions" >>>>>>>>>> and are to be easily identifiable by llvm-mca; any code >>>> between a >>>>>>> start/end >>>>>>>>>> pair can be analyzed by llvm-mca at a later time. A user can >>>> define >>>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>>> non-overlapping code regions within their program. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The llvm.mca.code.region.start intrinsic takes an integer >>>> constant >>>>>>> as its >>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>> argument. This argument is implemented as a metadata i32, and >>>> is >>>>>>> only used >>>>>>>>>> when generating llvm-mca reports. This value allows a user to >>>> more >>>>>>> easily >>>>>>>>>> identify a specific code region. llvm.mca.code.region.end >>>> takes no >>>>>>>>>> arguments. >>>>>>>>>> Since we disallow nesting of regions, the first 'end' intrinsic >>>>>>> lexically >>>>>>>>>> following a 'start' intrinsic represents the end of that code >>>>>>> region. >>>>>>>>>> Now that we have a solution for identifying regions for >>>> analysis, >>>>>>> we now >>>>>>>>>> need a >>>>>>>>>> way for preserving that information to be read at a later >>>> time. To >>>>>>>>>> accomplish >>>>>>>>>> this we propose adding a new section (.mca_code_regions) to the >>>>>>> object file >>>>>>>>>> generated by llvm. During code generation, the start/end >>>> intrinsics >>>>>>>>>> described >>>>>>>>>> above will be transformed into start/end labels in assembly. >>>> When >>>>>>> llvm >>>>>>>>>> generates the object file from the user's code, these start/end >>>>>>> labels >>>>>>>>>> form a >>>>>>>>>> pair of values identifying the start of the user's code >>>> region, and >>>>>>> size. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> size represents the number of bytes between the start and end >>>>>>> address of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> labels. Note that the labels are emitted during assembly >>>> printing. >>>>>>> We hope >>>>>>>>>> that these labels have no influence on code generation or >>>>>>> basic-block >>>>>>>>>> placement. However, the target assembler strategy for handling >>>>>>> labels is >>>>>>>>>> outside of our control. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This proposed change affects the size of a binary, but only if >>>> the >>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>>> calls >>>>>>>>>> the start/end builtins mentioned above. The additional size of >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> .mca_code_regions section, which we imagine to be very small >>>> (to >>>>>>> the order >>>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>>>>> few bytes), can trivially be stripped by tools like 'strip' or >>>>>>> 'objcopy'. >>>>>>>>>> Implementation Status >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> We currently have the proposed changes implemented at the url >>>>>>> posted below. >>>>>>>>>> This initial patch only targets ELF object files, and does not >>>>>>> handle >>>>>>>>>> relocatable addresses. Since the start of a code region is >>>>>>> represented as >>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>> assembly label, and referenced in the .mca_code_regions >>>> section, >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> address >>>>>>>>>> is relocatable. That value can be represented as >>>> section-relative >>>>>>>>>> relocatable >>>>>>>>>> symbol (.text + addend), but we are not handling that case yet. >>>>>>> Instead, >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> proposed changes only handle linked/executable object files. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For purposes of review and to communicate the idea, the change >>>> is >>>>>>>>>> presented as a monolithic patch here: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://reviews.llvm.org/D54603 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The change is presented as a monolithic patch; however, if >>>> accepted >>>>>>>>>> the patch will be split into three smaller patches: >>>>>>>>>> 1. The introduction of the builtins to clang. >>>>>>>>>> 2. The llvm portion (the added intrinsics). >>>>>>>>>> 3. The llvm-mca portion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Matt >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
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2018-Dec-11 19:22 UTC
[llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca.
Thanks for the response Simon. My reply is inline:> From: Simon Pilgrim <llvm-dev at redking.me.uk> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:40 PM > > Hi Matt, > > I can see a near future where perf-analysis tooling uses branch history > profiler captures to determine how often loops/branches are taken and > feeds that into llvm-mca, especially for hot/branchy loop analysis > reports etc. Are you confident that your approach will be easily > extendable for this?That is a very interesting use case. The restriction of a code-region to a single block is a limitation for any tools that want to analyze branches. However, I believe that it will be easy to lift this restriction (it's just a check in IR/Verifier). This limitation is not expressed in the llvm-mca driver. If the information is coming from a profile report, then we'd most likely need to extend the llvm-mca driver to accept profile reports. Currently, code regions, from the perspective of the llvm-mca driver, are very simple. They are just a collection of MCInst. The binary support in this RFC+patch disassembles just the address range from marker start address for some specified number of bytes. It might be useful to add another driver argument so that a user (or tool) can specify, from the command line, a range of instructions to analyze. I recently added a class for handling inputs to llvm::mca::CodeRegionGenerator, which is just responsible for taking some input and creating a list of MCInst that llvm-mca uses. We could subclass this to handle profile reports.> Similarly, being able to generally embed the profile markers in object > libraries for reuse is going to be important for some people - I'd like > to see more of a plan of how this will be achieved. I understand that it > might not be easy for some exe formats.That is definitely a limitation. This initial patch+RFC only handles linked executables (i.e., the llvm-mca marker symbol addresses are resolved). I'm working on a better solution so that this will not be a restriction. In fact, I'll probably delay trying to land any patches until I solve relocations (or use a different solution for identifying start/end addresses for llvm-mca code regions).> Sorry if I'm being too critical, but I'm a bit worried that we end up > with an initial implementation that will take a lot of reworking to meet > our final aims. > > Thanks, Simon.I understand your criticisms and value your input. Thanks a ton! -Matt> On 10/12/2018 19:32, Matt Davis wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback Guillaume and Clement! > > > > In response to Clement: > > > >>> In terms of future-proofness of only allowing regions within a basic > >>> block, are we confident we can actually ever simulate branches apart from > >>> "always taken, perfectly predicated" loop ? Even this simple need requires > >>> knowing quite a few details on the frontend. The current design could > >>> handle this use case with the addition of an external "loop mode" option to > >>> MCA. If there are no other strong use cases, I would advocate for > >>> experimental intrinsics unless people can contribute other example use > >>> cases. > > In short, I am in agreement and think that handling of branching or loop > > constructs should be isolated to the llvm-mca driver/front-end. The > > only thing the code regions should be concerned with is identifying > > blocks of instructions that will later be used by the front end. > > > > We can place limitations to how those blocks are formed. For example the > > current implementation forces regions to be isolated to a single basic > > block. However, we anticipate lifting this restriction once branching > > is handled. > > > > -Matt > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:15:46PM +0100, Guillaume Chatelet wrote: > >> +1 to what Clement said. > >> I believe the intrinsics are a better design to support many architectures. > >> > >> IACA users are probably decorating their code with IACA_START / IACA_END > >> macros. One possibility is to provide a header that define these macros in > >> terms of the new intrinsics. > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:59 PM Clement Courbet <courbet at google.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Matt/Andrea, > >>> > >>> I see pros and cons for IACA-style markers vs intrinsics. > >>> On the one hand, IACA-style markers are very magical, and not very visible > >>> in both the source and object code. Using IACA-style markers has the > >>> advantage that you can use llvm-mca as a drop-in replacement for IACA, or > >>> even to compare their outputs on the exact same binary. They also do not > >>> require tooling on the compiler side and allow comparing the output of > >>> several compilers. > >>> > >> On the other hand, IACA-style markers do not have a equivalent on other > >>> architectures, and I'm not sure inventing new ones is a good idea :) I > >>> think the latter makes them pretty much a no-go for llvm-mca as I don't > >>> think we'll want to teach each target how to parse code regions. That's > >>> much better handled in a target-agnostic way by the object. Intel got away > >>> with them because they only had to support one architecture. > >>> > >>> tl;dr: In the case of llvm-mca, I like your design better than the markers. > >>> > >>> In terms of future-proofness of only allowing regions within a basic > >>> block, are we confident we can actually ever simulate branches apart from > >>> "always taken, perfectly predicated" loop ? Even this simple need requires > >>> knowing quite a few details on the frontend. The current design could > >>> handle this use case with the addition of an external "loop mode" option to > >>> MCA. If there are no other strong use cases, I would advocate for > >>> experimental intrinsics unless people can contribute other example use > >>> cases. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:38 PM Matt Davis <matthew.davis at sony.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Andrea, > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 01:21:33PM +0000, Andrea Di Biagio wrote: > >>>>> So, I have been thinking a bit more about this whole design. > >>>>> > >>>>> The more I think about your suggested design, the more I am convinced > >>>> that > >>>>> we should do something more to support ranges in binary object files > >>>> too. > >>>>> My understanding is that the reason why we don't support object files in > >>>>> general, is because of the presence of relocations. That is because a > >>>>> region start marker is effectively symbol relative, and the symbol (a > >>>>> function) would be relocated in the final executable. > >>>>> You mentioned to me that resolving even a 'simple' symbol-relative > >>>>> relocation is not trivial, beause it requires specific knowledge about > >>>> the > >>>>> binary format, and the target (i.e. how relocations are encoded is > >>>> target > >>>>> specific). I am surprised that there is not a utility library for > >>>> resolving > >>>>> relocations.. but I am not familiar with that part of the compiler. I > >>>> was > >>>>> hoping that there was a target specific interface to use in this case... > >>>> There might be a better way of resolving the relocs, but from what I saw > >>>> looking at llvm-objdump and other related tools, it seems that resolving > >>>> the relocated symbol is a target specific effort. I also spent sometime > >>>> sniffing around ExecutionEngine/RuntimeDyld/RuntimeDyld.cpp which also > >>>> performs the reloc resolution. I should clarify that I too am not an > >>>> expert in llvm's utilities for performing symbol/reloc resolution, and > >>>> perhaps someone in the community can point me in the right direction. I > >>>> can clearly see the reloc data in the object file via tools like > >>>> objdump; however, accessing the relocs via > >>>> llvm::object::ObjectFile::relocations() did not produce address values > >>>> that we could use (values of zero). > >>>> > >>>> I was hoping that, for a first pass at this patch, supporting just > >>>> executables would be okay. That keeps this initial patch set simple, > >>>> and hopefully will encourage others to take a peek at it, since it's > >>>> less daunting than what it might otherwise be. Of course, there is the > >>>> concern that this initial patch will lock us into a design that will be > >>>> more complicated to unravel later. > >>>> > >>>>> An alternative approach would require that you define your own > >>>>> "symbol-relative" reference. After all, ranges are just a sequences of > >>>>> instructions in a function. If a function symbol is described by the > >>>> symbol > >>>>> table, then you should be able to obtain its offset in the .text > >>>> section. > >>>>> So, you could potentially encode your own symbol+offset. However, the > >>>>> linker would not be able to understand your "custom relocation", and > >>>>> information about regions in the final elf would be basically broken. > >>>>> So,that would not be a solution... > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't know honestly what is the best approach to use in this case. > >>>>> As a compromise, it would not be a bad idea to add the ability to > >>>> specify > >>>>> ranges from command line. What do you think? > >>>>> Still, from a user point of view, the idea that we don't support object > >>>>> files in general sounds like a big limitation. > >>>> I agree, only supporting executables is a limitation. However, I'd > >>>> like to land the base support now and add in the additional > >>>> features/support after this large patch set lands. But I can see > >>>> where landing the whole thing entirely also makes sense. > >>>> > >>>>> About the new experimental intrinsics: those would definitely work well > >>>> for > >>>>> the simple case where instructions are from the same basic block. > >>>>> However, some/most of the constraints that you plan to add will have to > >>>>> change if in future we decide to allow ranges that potentially cross > >>>>> multiple basic blocks. How will the rules/constraints on those new > >>>>> intrinsics change? I just want to make sure that the suggested design is > >>>>> future-proof. > >>>> Since the llvm/clang parts of the code are just responsible for > >>>> collecting where a range starts/ends, I hope that we can remove some > >>>> of the baked-in constraints that are specified in IR/Verifier.cpp. > >>>> As you pointed out earlier in this thread, we might want to > >>>> introduce a dominance check if/when we lift the one-basic-block > >>>> restriction. > >>>> > >>>> -Matt > >>>> > >>>>> -Andrea > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:08 PM Andrea Di Biagio < > >>>> andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks for clarifying it Matt. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In general, I quite like your suggested design. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My only concern is about the semantic of the two new intrinsics. You > >>>>>> design doesn't allow mca ranges to span through multiple basic > >>>> blocks. That > >>>>>> constraint is acceptable for now, since llvm-mca doesn't know how to > >>>> deal > >>>>>> with control flow. > >>>>>> However, I am a bit concerned about what might happen in future if we > >>>>>> decide to let users specify code regions that span through multiple > >>>> basic > >>>>>> blocks. Basically, I don't particularly like the idea of changing the > >>>>>> semantic of already existing intrinsic. A design that already > >>>> accounts for > >>>>>> that particular scenario/future work would be ideal. That being said, > >>>>>> marking those new intrinsics as 'experimental' may be a good > >>>> compromise (at > >>>>>> least for now). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, I am quite happy overall with the direction of this RFC. > >>>>>> However, I am interesting to hear from other developers about your > >>>>>> suggested design. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> This initial patch only targets ELF object files, and does not > >>>> handle > >>>>>> relocatable addresses. Since the start of a code region is > >>>> represented as > >>>>>> an > >>>>>> assembly label, and referenced in the .mca_code_regions section, that > >>>>>> address > >>>>>> is relocatable. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This may be okay for now. However, it would be nice to remove that > >>>>>> constraint in future and add support to generic object files. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Andrea > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 7:21 PM <Matthew.Davis at sony.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I want to clarify a few restrictions of llvm-mca code regions that > >>>> this > >>>>>>> RFC proposes: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) All llvm-mca code regions must start with an > >>>>>>> llvm.mca.code.region.start intrinsic and end with > >>>>>>> an llvm.mca.code.region.end intrinsic. This rule is enforced at the > >>>> IR > >>>>>>> level in the IR verifier. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2) llvm-mca code regions cannot nest. This restriction implies that > >>>> an > >>>>>>> llvm.mca.code.region.start > >>>>>>> must have a llvm.mca.code.region.end intrinsic without any other > >>>> llvm.mca > >>>>>>> start intrinsics > >>>>>>> between the two. The current implementation in the patch enforces > >>>> this > >>>>>>> restriction at the > >>>>>>> IR level via the IR Verifier. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3) An llvm-mca code region cannot span multiple basic blocks. > >>>> llvm-mca > >>>>>>> does not follow > >>>>>>> branches (yet). Instead, a branch instruction is treated by llvm-mca > >>>>>>> like any other instruction. > >>>>>>> The current patch associated with this RFC does not enforce this > >>>>>>> restriction. I plan on updating > >>>>>>> the patch to enforce that a code region can only belong to a single > >>>> basic > >>>>>>> block. This is a simple > >>>>>>> check, ensuring that both the llvm.mca.code.region.start and > >>>> accompanying > >>>>>>> end intrinsics live > >>>>>>> in the same basic block. I imagine adding this check at the IR level > >>>> when > >>>>>>> we also verify points 1 and 2 > >>>>>>> above. That will keep the code-region verification logic isolated > >>>> to the > >>>>>>> IR verifier. The start/end > >>>>>>> intrinsics should not have any uses, so I'm not sure that they would > >>>> be > >>>>>>> moved/sunk on behalf > >>>>>>> of any other instruction. In other words, I do not imagine that a > >>>> start > >>>>>>> and end would be split > >>>>>>> apart due to later MI optimizations. If I discover that such a case > >>>>>>> occurs, then I might add the > >>>>>>> basic-block check prior to emitting the code region data to the > >>>> object > >>>>>>> file. Once llvm-mca is > >>>>>>> updated to handle branches, then we can remove this constraint. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Matt > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> On Behalf Of Matt > >>>>>>> Davis via llvm- > >>>>>>>> dev > >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:47 AM > >>>>>>>> To: Andrea Di Biagio <andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> Cc: llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Di Biagio, Andrea > >>>>>>>> <Andrea.Dibiagio at sony.com>; cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to > >>>>>>> llvm-mca. > >>>>>>>> Hi Andrea, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for your input. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:43:52PM +0000, Andrea Di Biagio wrote: > >>>>>>>> [... snip ...] > >>>>>>>>> About the suggested design: > >>>>>>>>> I like the idea of being able to identify code regions using a > >>>> numeric > >>>>>>>>> identifier. > >>>>>>>>> However, what happens if a code region spans through multiple > >>>> basic > >>>>>>> blocks? > >>>>>>>> The current patch does not take into consideration cases where the > >>>>>>>> region start and end intrinsics are placed in different basic > >>>> blocks. > >>>>>>>> Such would be the case if a region is defined to span multiple > >>>> blocks. > >>>>>>>> This would be similar to the current case where a user places a > >>>>>>>> #LLVM-MCA-BEGIN assembly comment in one block and an #LLVM-MCA- > END > >>>> in > >>>>>>>> another. However, as you point out below, if the user does this > >>>> in the > >>>>>>>> source code via intrinsics (just what this patch is proposing), > >>>> then > >>>>>>>> there is a chance that optimizations might change the layout of the > >>>>>>>> instructions and confuse the ordering of the MCA intrinsics. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Since MCA does not follow branches (MCA just treats a branch as it > >>>> would > >>>>>>>> a non-branching instruction), it seems that a user should be aware > >>>> that > >>>>>>>> defining MCA code regions that span multiple blocks might result > >>>> in an > >>>>>>>> unexpected analysis. While we do not discourage this, it seems > >>>> like > >>>>>>>> such a case will probably not produce an expected result for the > >>>> user. > >>>>>>>> We could introduce a warning, or automatically divide the regions > >>>> so > >>>>>>>> that a single region can only contain a single block. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My understanding is that code regions are not allowed to > >>>> overlap. So, > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> makes sense if ` __mca_code_region_end()` doesn't take an ID as > >>>> input. > >>>>>>>>> However, what if ` __mca_code_region_end()` ends in a different > >>>> basic > >>>>>>> block? > >>>>>>>>> `__mca_code_region_start()` has to always dominate ` > >>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_end()`. This is trivial to verify when both > >>>> calls > >>>>>>> are in > >>>>>>>>> a same basic block; however, we need to make sure that the > >>>>>>> relationship is > >>>>>>>>> still the same when the `end()` call is in a different basic > >>>> block. > >>>>>>>>> That would not be enough. I think we should also verify that ` > >>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_end()` always post-dominates the call to > >>>>>>>>> `__mca_code_region_start()`. > >>>>>>>> In any case this patch should probably check dominance of the > >>>>>>>> intrinsics, even though MCA does not follow branches and MCA does > >>>> not > >>>>>>>> not explicitly forbid a region from containing multiple blocks. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My question is: what happens with basic block reordering? We > >>>> don't > >>>>>>> know the > >>>>>>>>> layout of basic blocks until we reach code emission. How does it > >>>> work > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> regions that span through multiple basic blocks?. I think your > >>>> RFC > >>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>> clarify this aspect. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> As a side note: at the moment, llvm-mca doesn't know how to deal > >>>> with > >>>>>>>>> branches. So, for simplicity we could force code regions to only > >>>>>>> contain > >>>>>>>>> instructions from a single basic block. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> However, In future we may want to teach llvm-mca how to analyze > >>>>>>> branchy > >>>>>>>>> code too. For example, we could introduce a simple control-flow > >>>>>>> analysis in > >>>>>>>>> llvm-mca, and use an external "branch trace" information (for > >>>>>>> example, a > >>>>>>>>> perf trace generated by an external tool) to decorate branches > >>>> with > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> branch probabilities (similarly to what we currently do in LLVM > >>>> with > >>>>>>> PGO). > >>>>>>>>> We could then use that knowledge to model branch prediction and > >>>>>>> simulate > >>>>>>>>> what happens in the presence of multiple branches. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So, the idea of having regions that potentially span multiple > >>>> basic > >>>>>>> blocks > >>>>>>>>> is not bad in general. However, I think you should better clarify > >>>>>>> what are > >>>>>>>>> the constraints (at least, you should answer to my questions from > >>>>>>> before). > >>>>>>>> I agree! Thanks for pointing that out. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If we decide to use those new intrinsics, then those should be > >>>>>>> experimental > >>>>>>>>> (at least to start). > >>>>>>>> Agreed. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Matt > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:07 PM via llvm-dev < > >>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Introduction > >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>>>>>> Currently llvm-mca only accepts assembly code as input. We > >>>> would > >>>>>>> like to > >>>>>>>>>> extend llvm-mca to support object files, allowing users to > >>>> analyze > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> performance of binaries. The proposed changes (which involve > >>>> both > >>>>>>>>>> clang and llvm) optionally introduce an object file section, > >>>> but > >>>>>>> this can > >>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>> stripped-out if desired. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> For the llvm-mca binary support feature to be useful, a user > >>>> needs > >>>>>>> to tell > >>>>>>>>>> llvm-mca which portions of their code they would like analyzed. > >>>>>>> Currently, > >>>>>>>>>> this is accomplished via assembly comments. However, assembly > >>>>>>> comments are > >>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>> preserved in object files, and this has encouraged this RFC. > >>>> For the > >>>>>>>>>> proposed > >>>>>>>>>> binary support, we need to introduce changes to clang and llvm > >>>> to > >>>>>>> allow the > >>>>>>>>>> user's object code to be recognized by llvm-mca: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> * We need a way for a user to identify a region/block of code > >>>> they > >>>>>>> want > >>>>>>>>>> analyzed by llvm-mca. > >>>>>>>>>> * We need the information defining the user's region of code > >>>> to be > >>>>>>>>>> maintained > >>>>>>>>>> in the object file so that llvm-mca can analyze the desired > >>>>>>> region(s) > >>>>>>>>>> from the > >>>>>>>>>> object file. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We define a "code region" as a subset of a user's program that > >>>> is > >>>>>>> to be > >>>>>>>>>> analyzed via llvm-mca. The sequence of instructions to be > >>>> analyzed > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> represented as a pair: <start, end> where the 'start' marks the > >>>>>>> beginning > >>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> the user's source code and 'end' terminates the sequence. The > >>>>>>> instructions > >>>>>>>>>> between 'start' and 'end' form the region that can be analyzed > >>>> by > >>>>>>> llvm-mca > >>>>>>>>>> at a > >>>>>>>>>> later time. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Example > >>>>>>>>>> ----------- > >>>>>>>>>> Before we go into the details of this proposed change, let's > >>>> first > >>>>>>> look at > >>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>> simple example: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> // example.c -- Analyze a dot-product expression. > >>>>>>>>>> double test(double x, double y) { > >>>>>>>>>> double result = 0.0; > >>>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_start(42); > >>>>>>>>>> result += x * y; > >>>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_end(); > >>>>>>>>>> return result; > >>>>>>>>>> } > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In the example above, we have identified a code region, in this > >>>>>>> case a > >>>>>>>>>> single > >>>>>>>>>> dot-product expression. For the sake of brevity and simplicity, > >>>>>>> we've > >>>>>>>>>> chosen > >>>>>>>>>> a very simple example, but in reality a more complicated > >>>> example > >>>>>>> could use > >>>>>>>>>> multiple expressions. We have also denoted this region as > >>>> number > >>>>>>> 42. That > >>>>>>>>>> identifier is only for the user, and simplifies reading an > >>>> llvm-mca > >>>>>>>>>> analysis > >>>>>>>>>> report later. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> When this code is compiled, the region markers (the > >>>> mca_code_region > >>>>>>>>>> markers) > >>>>>>>>>> are transformed into assembly labels. While the markers are > >>>>>>> presented as > >>>>>>>>>> function calls, in reality they are no-ops. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> test: > >>>>>>>>>> pushq %rbp > >>>>>>>>>> movq %rsp, %rbp > >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm0, -8(%rbp) > >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm1, -16(%rbp) > >>>>>>>>>> .Lmca_code_region_start_0: # LLVM-MCA-START ID: 42 > >>>>>>>>>> xorps %xmm0, %xmm0 > >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm0, -24(%rbp) > >>>>>>>>>> movsd -8(%rbp), %xmm0 > >>>>>>>>>> mulsd -16(%rbp), %xmm0 > >>>>>>>>>> addsd -24(%rbp), %xmm0 > >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm0, -24(%rbp) > >>>>>>>>>> .Lmca_code_region_end_0: # LLVM-MCA-END ID: 42 > >>>>>>>>>> movsd -24(%rbp), %xmm0 > >>>>>>>>>> popq %rbp > >>>>>>>>>> retq > >>>>>>>>>> .section .mca_code_regions,"", at progbits > >>>>>>>>>> .quad 42 > >>>>>>>>>> .quad .Lmca_code_region_start_0 > >>>>>>>>>> .quad .Lmca_code_region_end_0-.Lmca_code_region_start_0 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The assembly has been trimmed to show the portions relevant to > >>>> this > >>>>>>> RFC. > >>>>>>>>>> Notice the labels enclose the user's defined region, and that > >>>> they > >>>>>>>>>> preserve the > >>>>>>>>>> user's arbitrary region identifier, the ever-so-important > >>>> region 42. > >>>>>>>>>> In the object file section .mca_code_regions, we have noted the > >>>>>>> user's > >>>>>>>>>> region > >>>>>>>>>> identifier (.quad 42), start address, and region size. A more > >>>>>>> complicated > >>>>>>>>>> example can have multiple regions defined within a single > >>>>>>> .mca_code_regions > >>>>>>>>>> section. This section can be read by llvm-mca, allowing > >>>> llvm-mca to > >>>>>>> take > >>>>>>>>>> object files as input instead of assembly source. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Details > >>>>>>>>>> --------- > >>>>>>>>>> We need a way for a user to identify a region/block of code > >>>> they > >>>>>>> want > >>>>>>>>>> analyzed > >>>>>>>>>> by llvm-mca. We solve this problem by introducing two > >>>> intrinsics > >>>>>>> that a > >>>>>>>>>> user can > >>>>>>>>>> specify, for identifying regions of code for analysis. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The two intrinsics are: llvm.mca.code.regions.start and > >>>>>>>>>> llvm.mca.code.regions.end. A user can identify a code region by > >>>>>>> inserting > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> mca_code_region_start and mca_code_region_end markers. These > >>>> are > >>>>>>> simply > >>>>>>>>>> clang builtins and are transformed into the aforementioned > >>>>>>> intrinsics > >>>>>>>>>> during > >>>>>>>>>> compilation. The code between the intrinsics are what we call > >>>> "code > >>>>>>>>>> regions" > >>>>>>>>>> and are to be easily identifiable by llvm-mca; any code > >>>> between a > >>>>>>> start/end > >>>>>>>>>> pair can be analyzed by llvm-mca at a later time. A user can > >>>> define > >>>>>>>>>> multiple > >>>>>>>>>> non-overlapping code regions within their program. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The llvm.mca.code.region.start intrinsic takes an integer > >>>> constant > >>>>>>> as its > >>>>>>>>>> only > >>>>>>>>>> argument. This argument is implemented as a metadata i32, and > >>>> is > >>>>>>> only used > >>>>>>>>>> when generating llvm-mca reports. This value allows a user to > >>>> more > >>>>>>> easily > >>>>>>>>>> identify a specific code region. llvm.mca.code.region.end > >>>> takes no > >>>>>>>>>> arguments. > >>>>>>>>>> Since we disallow nesting of regions, the first 'end' intrinsic > >>>>>>> lexically > >>>>>>>>>> following a 'start' intrinsic represents the end of that code > >>>>>>> region. > >>>>>>>>>> Now that we have a solution for identifying regions for > >>>> analysis, > >>>>>>> we now > >>>>>>>>>> need a > >>>>>>>>>> way for preserving that information to be read at a later > >>>> time. To > >>>>>>>>>> accomplish > >>>>>>>>>> this we propose adding a new section (.mca_code_regions) to the > >>>>>>> object file > >>>>>>>>>> generated by llvm. During code generation, the start/end > >>>> intrinsics > >>>>>>>>>> described > >>>>>>>>>> above will be transformed into start/end labels in assembly. > >>>> When > >>>>>>> llvm > >>>>>>>>>> generates the object file from the user's code, these start/end > >>>>>>> labels > >>>>>>>>>> form a > >>>>>>>>>> pair of values identifying the start of the user's code > >>>> region, and > >>>>>>> size. > >>>>>>>>>> The > >>>>>>>>>> size represents the number of bytes between the start and end > >>>>>>> address of > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> labels. Note that the labels are emitted during assembly > >>>> printing. > >>>>>>> We hope > >>>>>>>>>> that these labels have no influence on code generation or > >>>>>>> basic-block > >>>>>>>>>> placement. However, the target assembler strategy for handling > >>>>>>> labels is > >>>>>>>>>> outside of our control. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> This proposed change affects the size of a binary, but only if > >>>> the > >>>>>>> user > >>>>>>>>>> calls > >>>>>>>>>> the start/end builtins mentioned above. The additional size of > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> .mca_code_regions section, which we imagine to be very small > >>>> (to > >>>>>>> the order > >>>>>>>>>> of a > >>>>>>>>>> few bytes), can trivially be stripped by tools like 'strip' or > >>>>>>> 'objcopy'. > >>>>>>>>>> Implementation Status > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>> We currently have the proposed changes implemented at the url > >>>>>>> posted below. > >>>>>>>>>> This initial patch only targets ELF object files, and does not > >>>>>>> handle > >>>>>>>>>> relocatable addresses. Since the start of a code region is > >>>>>>> represented as > >>>>>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>>> assembly label, and referenced in the .mca_code_regions > >>>> section, > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> address > >>>>>>>>>> is relocatable. That value can be represented as > >>>> section-relative > >>>>>>>>>> relocatable > >>>>>>>>>> symbol (.text + addend), but we are not handling that case yet. > >>>>>>> Instead, > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> proposed changes only handle linked/executable object files. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> For purposes of review and to communicate the idea, the change > >>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> presented as a monolithic patch here: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> https://reviews.llvm.org/D54603 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The change is presented as a monolithic patch; however, if > >>>> accepted > >>>>>>>>>> the patch will be split into three smaller patches: > >>>>>>>>>> 1. The introduction of the builtins to clang. > >>>>>>>>>> 2. The llvm portion (the added intrinsics). > >>>>>>>>>> 3. The llvm-mca portion. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -Matt > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list > >>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > >>>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
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[llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca.
Adding the llvm-dev list, because my email client decides to remove certain lists when I reply-all... including the list that I intend to respond to.> -----Original Message----- > From: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 9:47 AM > To: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com>; llvm-dev at redking.me.uk > Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org > Subject: RE: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. > > Just an update to this RFC. (I thought this was going to be a short email... my > apologies). > > One of the primary limitations described in this RFC (earlier in this thread), is that the > patch for this RFC only handles linked executables. This restriction is due to myself > wanting to avoid handling relocations in a target specific manner, at least in the > initial patch. Especially so, since I want to keep the initial patch simple. However, > sometimes simple and practical are at odds with each other. I envision the main use- > case of llvm-mca, with binary support, is for analyzing .o files. Probably analyzing .o > more commonly than fully linked executables. Without handling relocated objects, > this patch seems rather useless. > > I started exploring an alternative solution this weekend to the aforementioned > problem. This alternative solution avoids having to handle relocations, but does give > us support for object files (with relocated symbols) and linked executables. The > change is quite simple, and seems to be effective. In short, we still generate > intrinsics as discussed in the RFC, one to mark the start of a code region, and > another to mark the end. These intrinsics get lowered into local symbols. The > symbols are already encoded with address information about their position in the > object file. What is different is that we ensure that these symbols have unique > names and also encode the user provided ID value. > > Previously the labels were named like: .Lmca_code_region_start_<number>, and > similar for .Lmca_code_region_end. The user id number and region size were > encoded in the .mca_code_regions object file section. Previously mca never looked > at the symbol table. But, In reality we can calculate the region size by using the > symbols in the symbol table (look for the mca symbols), instead of relying on the > information encoded in .mca_code_regions. The alternative approach gets rid of > that section entirely but achieves the same functionality by encoding the information > in the symbol name. In short the alternative approach just parses the symbol table > for MCA symbols, and the symbol names are encoded with the data we need. > > The newly proposed name is formatted > as: .Lmca_code_region_start.<id>.<function>.<number>. Similar for > mca_code_region_end. 'function' is the function that the marker appears in, 'ID' is > the user-specified ID (this is a value that users specify for easily identifying the code > region under analysis... just cosmetic), and 'number' is a unique number to avoid any > duplicate name conflicts. The benefit of this alternative solution is that we can get > rid of .mca_code_regions, and gather all of the information llvm-mca needs by > parsing the symbol table looking for any symbols with the 'mca_code_region_start' > and 'mca_code_region_end' format discussed above. Of course, if the string table is > stripped, then we will lose this data. The main drawback from this alternative > approach is that it relies on encoding symbol names and string processing on those > names. I'm somewhat biased against doing string parsing, but the code to perform > this is simple and small, and more importantly it allows llvm-mca to handle linked or > relocated object files. > > -Matt > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> On Behalf Of via llvm-dev > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 11:23 AM > > To: llvm-dev at redking.me.uk; llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > > Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org > > Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. > > > > Thanks for the response Simon. My reply is inline: > > > > > From: Simon Pilgrim <llvm-dev at redking.me.uk> > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:40 PM > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > I can see a near future where perf-analysis tooling uses branch history > > > profiler captures to determine how often loops/branches are taken and > > > feeds that into llvm-mca, especially for hot/branchy loop analysis > > > reports etc. Are you confident that your approach will be easily > > > extendable for this? > > > > That is a very interesting use case. The restriction of a code-region to a single > block > > is a limitation for any tools that want to analyze branches. However, I believe > > that it will be easy to lift this restriction (it's just a check in IR/Verifier). This > > limitation is not > > expressed in the llvm-mca driver. > > > > If the information is coming from a profile report, then we'd most > > likely need to extend the llvm-mca driver to accept profile reports. Currently, > > code regions, from the perspective of the llvm-mca driver, are very simple. They > are > > just a collection of MCInst. The binary support in this RFC+patch > > disassembles just the address range from marker start address for > > some specified number of bytes. It might be useful to add another driver argument > > so that a user (or tool) can specify, from the command line, a range of instructions > > to > > analyze. I recently added a class for handling inputs to > > llvm::mca::CodeRegionGenerator, > > which is just responsible for taking some input and creating a list of MCInst that > llvm- > > mca uses. > > We could subclass this to handle profile reports. > > > > > Similarly, being able to generally embed the profile markers in object > > > libraries for reuse is going to be important for some people - I'd like > > > to see more of a plan of how this will be achieved. I understand that it > > > might not be easy for some exe formats. > > > > That is definitely a limitation. This initial patch+RFC only handles linked > > executables (i.e., the llvm-mca marker symbol addresses are resolved). > > I'm working on a better solution so that this will not be a restriction. > > In fact, I'll probably delay trying to land any patches until I solve relocations > > (or use a different solution for identifying start/end addresses for llvm-mca code > > regions). > > > > > Sorry if I'm being too critical, but I'm a bit worried that we end up > > > with an initial implementation that will take a lot of reworking to meet > > > our final aims. > > > > > > Thanks, Simon. > > > > I understand your criticisms and value your input. Thanks a ton! > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > On 10/12/2018 19:32, Matt Davis wrote: > > > > Thanks for the feedback Guillaume and Clement! > > > > > > > > In response to Clement: > > > > > > > >>> In terms of future-proofness of only allowing regions within a basic > > > >>> block, are we confident we can actually ever simulate branches apart from > > > >>> "always taken, perfectly predicated" loop ? Even this simple need requires > > > >>> knowing quite a few details on the frontend. The current design could > > > >>> handle this use case with the addition of an external "loop mode" option to > > > >>> MCA. If there are no other strong use cases, I would advocate for > > > >>> experimental intrinsics unless people can contribute other example use > > > >>> cases. > > > > In short, I am in agreement and think that handling of branching or loop > > > > constructs should be isolated to the llvm-mca driver/front-end. The > > > > only thing the code regions should be concerned with is identifying > > > > blocks of instructions that will later be used by the front end. > > > > > > > > We can place limitations to how those blocks are formed. For example the > > > > current implementation forces regions to be isolated to a single basic > > > > block. However, we anticipate lifting this restriction once branching > > > > is handled. > > > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:15:46PM +0100, Guillaume Chatelet wrote: > > > >> +1 to what Clement said. > > > >> I believe the intrinsics are a better design to support many architectures. > > > >> > > > >> IACA users are probably decorating their code with IACA_START / IACA_END > > > >> macros. One possibility is to provide a header that define these macros in > > > >> terms of the new intrinsics. > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:59 PM Clement Courbet <courbet at google.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hi Matt/Andrea, > > > >>> > > > >>> I see pros and cons for IACA-style markers vs intrinsics. > > > >>> On the one hand, IACA-style markers are very magical, and not very visible > > > >>> in both the source and object code. Using IACA-style markers has the > > > >>> advantage that you can use llvm-mca as a drop-in replacement for IACA, or > > > >>> even to compare their outputs on the exact same binary. They also do not > > > >>> require tooling on the compiler side and allow comparing the output of > > > >>> several compilers. > > > >>> > > > >> On the other hand, IACA-style markers do not have a equivalent on other > > > >>> architectures, and I'm not sure inventing new ones is a good idea :) I > > > >>> think the latter makes them pretty much a no-go for llvm-mca as I don't > > > >>> think we'll want to teach each target how to parse code regions. That's > > > >>> much better handled in a target-agnostic way by the object. Intel got away > > > >>> with them because they only had to support one architecture. > > > >>> > > > >>> tl;dr: In the case of llvm-mca, I like your design better than the markers. > > > >>> > > > >>> In terms of future-proofness of only allowing regions within a basic > > > >>> block, are we confident we can actually ever simulate branches apart from > > > >>> "always taken, perfectly predicated" loop ? Even this simple need requires > > > >>> knowing quite a few details on the frontend. The current design could > > > >>> handle this use case with the addition of an external "loop mode" option to > > > >>> MCA. If there are no other strong use cases, I would advocate for > > > >>> experimental intrinsics unless people can contribute other example use > > > >>> cases. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:38 PM Matt Davis <matthew.davis at sony.com> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Hi Andrea, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 01:21:33PM +0000, Andrea Di Biagio wrote: > > > >>>>> So, I have been thinking a bit more about this whole design. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The more I think about your suggested design, the more I am convinced > > > >>>> that > > > >>>>> we should do something more to support ranges in binary object files > > > >>>> too. > > > >>>>> My understanding is that the reason why we don't support object files in > > > >>>>> general, is because of the presence of relocations. That is because a > > > >>>>> region start marker is effectively symbol relative, and the symbol (a > > > >>>>> function) would be relocated in the final executable. > > > >>>>> You mentioned to me that resolving even a 'simple' symbol-relative > > > >>>>> relocation is not trivial, beause it requires specific knowledge about > > > >>>> the > > > >>>>> binary format, and the target (i.e. how relocations are encoded is > > > >>>> target > > > >>>>> specific). I am surprised that there is not a utility library for > > > >>>> resolving > > > >>>>> relocations.. but I am not familiar with that part of the compiler. I > > > >>>> was > > > >>>>> hoping that there was a target specific interface to use in this case... > > > >>>> There might be a better way of resolving the relocs, but from what I saw > > > >>>> looking at llvm-objdump and other related tools, it seems that resolving > > > >>>> the relocated symbol is a target specific effort. I also spent sometime > > > >>>> sniffing around ExecutionEngine/RuntimeDyld/RuntimeDyld.cpp which also > > > >>>> performs the reloc resolution. I should clarify that I too am not an > > > >>>> expert in llvm's utilities for performing symbol/reloc resolution, and > > > >>>> perhaps someone in the community can point me in the right direction. I > > > >>>> can clearly see the reloc data in the object file via tools like > > > >>>> objdump; however, accessing the relocs via > > > >>>> llvm::object::ObjectFile::relocations() did not produce address values > > > >>>> that we could use (values of zero). > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I was hoping that, for a first pass at this patch, supporting just > > > >>>> executables would be okay. That keeps this initial patch set simple, > > > >>>> and hopefully will encourage others to take a peek at it, since it's > > > >>>> less daunting than what it might otherwise be. Of course, there is the > > > >>>> concern that this initial patch will lock us into a design that will be > > > >>>> more complicated to unravel later. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> An alternative approach would require that you define your own > > > >>>>> "symbol-relative" reference. After all, ranges are just a sequences of > > > >>>>> instructions in a function. If a function symbol is described by the > > > >>>> symbol > > > >>>>> table, then you should be able to obtain its offset in the .text > > > >>>> section. > > > >>>>> So, you could potentially encode your own symbol+offset. However, the > > > >>>>> linker would not be able to understand your "custom relocation", and > > > >>>>> information about regions in the final elf would be basically broken. > > > >>>>> So,that would not be a solution... > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I don't know honestly what is the best approach to use in this case. > > > >>>>> As a compromise, it would not be a bad idea to add the ability to > > > >>>> specify > > > >>>>> ranges from command line. What do you think? > > > >>>>> Still, from a user point of view, the idea that we don't support object > > > >>>>> files in general sounds like a big limitation. > > > >>>> I agree, only supporting executables is a limitation. However, I'd > > > >>>> like to land the base support now and add in the additional > > > >>>> features/support after this large patch set lands. But I can see > > > >>>> where landing the whole thing entirely also makes sense. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> About the new experimental intrinsics: those would definitely work well > > > >>>> for > > > >>>>> the simple case where instructions are from the same basic block. > > > >>>>> However, some/most of the constraints that you plan to add will have to > > > >>>>> change if in future we decide to allow ranges that potentially cross > > > >>>>> multiple basic blocks. How will the rules/constraints on those new > > > >>>>> intrinsics change? I just want to make sure that the suggested design is > > > >>>>> future-proof. > > > >>>> Since the llvm/clang parts of the code are just responsible for > > > >>>> collecting where a range starts/ends, I hope that we can remove some > > > >>>> of the baked-in constraints that are specified in IR/Verifier.cpp. > > > >>>> As you pointed out earlier in this thread, we might want to > > > >>>> introduce a dominance check if/when we lift the one-basic-block > > > >>>> restriction. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -Matt > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> -Andrea > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:08 PM Andrea Di Biagio < > > > >>>> andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Thanks for clarifying it Matt. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> In general, I quite like your suggested design. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> My only concern is about the semantic of the two new intrinsics. You > > > >>>>>> design doesn't allow mca ranges to span through multiple basic > > > >>>> blocks. That > > > >>>>>> constraint is acceptable for now, since llvm-mca doesn't know how to > > > >>>> deal > > > >>>>>> with control flow. > > > >>>>>> However, I am a bit concerned about what might happen in future if we > > > >>>>>> decide to let users specify code regions that span through multiple > > > >>>> basic > > > >>>>>> blocks. Basically, I don't particularly like the idea of changing the > > > >>>>>> semantic of already existing intrinsic. A design that already > > > >>>> accounts for > > > >>>>>> that particular scenario/future work would be ideal. That being said, > > > >>>>>> marking those new intrinsics as 'experimental' may be a good > > > >>>> compromise (at > > > >>>>>> least for now). > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> So, I am quite happy overall with the direction of this RFC. > > > >>>>>> However, I am interesting to hear from other developers about your > > > >>>>>> suggested design. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> This initial patch only targets ELF object files, and does not > > > >>>> handle > > > >>>>>> relocatable addresses. Since the start of a code region is > > > >>>> represented as > > > >>>>>> an > > > >>>>>> assembly label, and referenced in the .mca_code_regions section, that > > > >>>>>> address > > > >>>>>> is relocatable. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> This may be okay for now. However, it would be nice to remove that > > > >>>>>> constraint in future and add support to generic object files. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -Andrea > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 7:21 PM <Matthew.Davis at sony.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I want to clarify a few restrictions of llvm-mca code regions that > > > >>>> this > > > >>>>>>> RFC proposes: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> 1) All llvm-mca code regions must start with an > > > >>>>>>> llvm.mca.code.region.start intrinsic and end with > > > >>>>>>> an llvm.mca.code.region.end intrinsic. This rule is enforced at the > > > >>>> IR > > > >>>>>>> level in the IR verifier. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> 2) llvm-mca code regions cannot nest. This restriction implies that > > > >>>> an > > > >>>>>>> llvm.mca.code.region.start > > > >>>>>>> must have a llvm.mca.code.region.end intrinsic without any other > > > >>>> llvm.mca > > > >>>>>>> start intrinsics > > > >>>>>>> between the two. The current implementation in the patch enforces > > > >>>> this > > > >>>>>>> restriction at the > > > >>>>>>> IR level via the IR Verifier. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> 3) An llvm-mca code region cannot span multiple basic blocks. > > > >>>> llvm-mca > > > >>>>>>> does not follow > > > >>>>>>> branches (yet). Instead, a branch instruction is treated by llvm-mca > > > >>>>>>> like any other instruction. > > > >>>>>>> The current patch associated with this RFC does not enforce this > > > >>>>>>> restriction. I plan on updating > > > >>>>>>> the patch to enforce that a code region can only belong to a single > > > >>>> basic > > > >>>>>>> block. This is a simple > > > >>>>>>> check, ensuring that both the llvm.mca.code.region.start and > > > >>>> accompanying > > > >>>>>>> end intrinsics live > > > >>>>>>> in the same basic block. I imagine adding this check at the IR level > > > >>>> when > > > >>>>>>> we also verify points 1 and 2 > > > >>>>>>> above. That will keep the code-region verification logic isolated > > > >>>> to the > > > >>>>>>> IR verifier. The start/end > > > >>>>>>> intrinsics should not have any uses, so I'm not sure that they would > > > >>>> be > > > >>>>>>> moved/sunk on behalf > > > >>>>>>> of any other instruction. In other words, I do not imagine that a > > > >>>> start > > > >>>>>>> and end would be split > > > >>>>>>> apart due to later MI optimizations. If I discover that such a case > > > >>>>>>> occurs, then I might add the > > > >>>>>>> basic-block check prior to emitting the code region data to the > > > >>>> object > > > >>>>>>> file. Once llvm-mca is > > > >>>>>>> updated to handle branches, then we can remove this constraint. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> -Matt > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>>>>> From: llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> On Behalf Of Matt > > > >>>>>>> Davis via llvm- > > > >>>>>>>> dev > > > >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:47 AM > > > >>>>>>>> To: Andrea Di Biagio <andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com> > > > >>>>>>>> Cc: llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Di Biagio, Andrea > > > >>>>>>>> <Andrea.Dibiagio at sony.com>; cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org > > > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to > > > >>>>>>> llvm-mca. > > > >>>>>>>> Hi Andrea, > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for your input. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:43:52PM +0000, Andrea Di Biagio wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> [... snip ...] > > > >>>>>>>>> About the suggested design: > > > >>>>>>>>> I like the idea of being able to identify code regions using a > > > >>>> numeric > > > >>>>>>>>> identifier. > > > >>>>>>>>> However, what happens if a code region spans through multiple > > > >>>> basic > > > >>>>>>> blocks? > > > >>>>>>>> The current patch does not take into consideration cases where the > > > >>>>>>>> region start and end intrinsics are placed in different basic > > > >>>> blocks. > > > >>>>>>>> Such would be the case if a region is defined to span multiple > > > >>>> blocks. > > > >>>>>>>> This would be similar to the current case where a user places a > > > >>>>>>>> #LLVM-MCA-BEGIN assembly comment in one block and an #LLVM- > > MCA- > > > END > > > >>>> in > > > >>>>>>>> another. However, as you point out below, if the user does this > > > >>>> in the > > > >>>>>>>> source code via intrinsics (just what this patch is proposing), > > > >>>> then > > > >>>>>>>> there is a chance that optimizations might change the layout of the > > > >>>>>>>> instructions and confuse the ordering of the MCA intrinsics. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Since MCA does not follow branches (MCA just treats a branch as it > > > >>>> would > > > >>>>>>>> a non-branching instruction), it seems that a user should be aware > > > >>>> that > > > >>>>>>>> defining MCA code regions that span multiple blocks might result > > > >>>> in an > > > >>>>>>>> unexpected analysis. While we do not discourage this, it seems > > > >>>> like > > > >>>>>>>> such a case will probably not produce an expected result for the > > > >>>> user. > > > >>>>>>>> We could introduce a warning, or automatically divide the regions > > > >>>> so > > > >>>>>>>> that a single region can only contain a single block. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> My understanding is that code regions are not allowed to > > > >>>> overlap. So, > > > >>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>> makes sense if ` __mca_code_region_end()` doesn't take an ID as > > > >>>> input. > > > >>>>>>>>> However, what if ` __mca_code_region_end()` ends in a different > > > >>>> basic > > > >>>>>>> block? > > > >>>>>>>>> `__mca_code_region_start()` has to always dominate ` > > > >>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_end()`. This is trivial to verify when both > > > >>>> calls > > > >>>>>>> are in > > > >>>>>>>>> a same basic block; however, we need to make sure that the > > > >>>>>>> relationship is > > > >>>>>>>>> still the same when the `end()` call is in a different basic > > > >>>> block. > > > >>>>>>>>> That would not be enough. I think we should also verify that ` > > > >>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_end()` always post-dominates the call to > > > >>>>>>>>> `__mca_code_region_start()`. > > > >>>>>>>> In any case this patch should probably check dominance of the > > > >>>>>>>> intrinsics, even though MCA does not follow branches and MCA does > > > >>>> not > > > >>>>>>>> not explicitly forbid a region from containing multiple blocks. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> My question is: what happens with basic block reordering? We > > > >>>> don't > > > >>>>>>> know the > > > >>>>>>>>> layout of basic blocks until we reach code emission. How does it > > > >>>> work > > > >>>>>>> for > > > >>>>>>>>> regions that span through multiple basic blocks?. I think your > > > >>>> RFC > > > >>>>>>> should > > > >>>>>>>>> clarify this aspect. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> As a side note: at the moment, llvm-mca doesn't know how to deal > > > >>>> with > > > >>>>>>>>> branches. So, for simplicity we could force code regions to only > > > >>>>>>> contain > > > >>>>>>>>> instructions from a single basic block. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> However, In future we may want to teach llvm-mca how to analyze > > > >>>>>>> branchy > > > >>>>>>>>> code too. For example, we could introduce a simple control-flow > > > >>>>>>> analysis in > > > >>>>>>>>> llvm-mca, and use an external "branch trace" information (for > > > >>>>>>> example, a > > > >>>>>>>>> perf trace generated by an external tool) to decorate branches > > > >>>> with > > > >>>>>>> with > > > >>>>>>>>> branch probabilities (similarly to what we currently do in LLVM > > > >>>> with > > > >>>>>>> PGO). > > > >>>>>>>>> We could then use that knowledge to model branch prediction and > > > >>>>>>> simulate > > > >>>>>>>>> what happens in the presence of multiple branches. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> So, the idea of having regions that potentially span multiple > > > >>>> basic > > > >>>>>>> blocks > > > >>>>>>>>> is not bad in general. However, I think you should better clarify > > > >>>>>>> what are > > > >>>>>>>>> the constraints (at least, you should answer to my questions from > > > >>>>>>> before). > > > >>>>>>>> I agree! Thanks for pointing that out. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> If we decide to use those new intrinsics, then those should be > > > >>>>>>> experimental > > > >>>>>>>>> (at least to start). > > > >>>>>>>> Agreed. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> -Matt > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:07 PM via llvm-dev < > > > >>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Introduction > > > >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- > > > >>>>>>>>>> Currently llvm-mca only accepts assembly code as input. We > > > >>>> would > > > >>>>>>> like to > > > >>>>>>>>>> extend llvm-mca to support object files, allowing users to > > > >>>> analyze > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>> performance of binaries. The proposed changes (which involve > > > >>>> both > > > >>>>>>>>>> clang and llvm) optionally introduce an object file section, > > > >>>> but > > > >>>>>>> this can > > > >>>>>>>>>> be > > > >>>>>>>>>> stripped-out if desired. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> For the llvm-mca binary support feature to be useful, a user > > > >>>> needs > > > >>>>>>> to tell > > > >>>>>>>>>> llvm-mca which portions of their code they would like analyzed. > > > >>>>>>> Currently, > > > >>>>>>>>>> this is accomplished via assembly comments. However, assembly > > > >>>>>>> comments are > > > >>>>>>>>>> not > > > >>>>>>>>>> preserved in object files, and this has encouraged this RFC. > > > >>>> For the > > > >>>>>>>>>> proposed > > > >>>>>>>>>> binary support, we need to introduce changes to clang and llvm > > > >>>> to > > > >>>>>>> allow the > > > >>>>>>>>>> user's object code to be recognized by llvm-mca: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> * We need a way for a user to identify a region/block of code > > > >>>> they > > > >>>>>>> want > > > >>>>>>>>>> analyzed by llvm-mca. > > > >>>>>>>>>> * We need the information defining the user's region of code > > > >>>> to be > > > >>>>>>>>>> maintained > > > >>>>>>>>>> in the object file so that llvm-mca can analyze the desired > > > >>>>>>> region(s) > > > >>>>>>>>>> from the > > > >>>>>>>>>> object file. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> We define a "code region" as a subset of a user's program that > > > >>>> is > > > >>>>>>> to be > > > >>>>>>>>>> analyzed via llvm-mca. The sequence of instructions to be > > > >>>> analyzed > > > >>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>> represented as a pair: <start, end> where the 'start' marks the > > > >>>>>>> beginning > > > >>>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>> the user's source code and 'end' terminates the sequence. The > > > >>>>>>> instructions > > > >>>>>>>>>> between 'start' and 'end' form the region that can be analyzed > > > >>>> by > > > >>>>>>> llvm-mca > > > >>>>>>>>>> at a > > > >>>>>>>>>> later time. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Example > > > >>>>>>>>>> ----------- > > > >>>>>>>>>> Before we go into the details of this proposed change, let's > > > >>>> first > > > >>>>>>> look at > > > >>>>>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>> simple example: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> // example.c -- Analyze a dot-product expression. > > > >>>>>>>>>> double test(double x, double y) { > > > >>>>>>>>>> double result = 0.0; > > > >>>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_start(42); > > > >>>>>>>>>> result += x * y; > > > >>>>>>>>>> __mca_code_region_end(); > > > >>>>>>>>>> return result; > > > >>>>>>>>>> } > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> In the example above, we have identified a code region, in this > > > >>>>>>> case a > > > >>>>>>>>>> single > > > >>>>>>>>>> dot-product expression. For the sake of brevity and simplicity, > > > >>>>>>> we've > > > >>>>>>>>>> chosen > > > >>>>>>>>>> a very simple example, but in reality a more complicated > > > >>>> example > > > >>>>>>> could use > > > >>>>>>>>>> multiple expressions. We have also denoted this region as > > > >>>> number > > > >>>>>>> 42. That > > > >>>>>>>>>> identifier is only for the user, and simplifies reading an > > > >>>> llvm-mca > > > >>>>>>>>>> analysis > > > >>>>>>>>>> report later. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> When this code is compiled, the region markers (the > > > >>>> mca_code_region > > > >>>>>>>>>> markers) > > > >>>>>>>>>> are transformed into assembly labels. While the markers are > > > >>>>>>> presented as > > > >>>>>>>>>> function calls, in reality they are no-ops. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> test: > > > >>>>>>>>>> pushq %rbp > > > >>>>>>>>>> movq %rsp, %rbp > > > >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm0, -8(%rbp) > > > >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm1, -16(%rbp) > > > >>>>>>>>>> .Lmca_code_region_start_0: # LLVM-MCA-START ID: 42 > > > >>>>>>>>>> xorps %xmm0, %xmm0 > > > >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm0, -24(%rbp) > > > >>>>>>>>>> movsd -8(%rbp), %xmm0 > > > >>>>>>>>>> mulsd -16(%rbp), %xmm0 > > > >>>>>>>>>> addsd -24(%rbp), %xmm0 > > > >>>>>>>>>> movsd %xmm0, -24(%rbp) > > > >>>>>>>>>> .Lmca_code_region_end_0: # LLVM-MCA-END ID: 42 > > > >>>>>>>>>> movsd -24(%rbp), %xmm0 > > > >>>>>>>>>> popq %rbp > > > >>>>>>>>>> retq > > > >>>>>>>>>> .section .mca_code_regions,"", at progbits > > > >>>>>>>>>> .quad 42 > > > >>>>>>>>>> .quad .Lmca_code_region_start_0 > > > >>>>>>>>>> .quad .Lmca_code_region_end_0-.Lmca_code_region_start_0 > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> The assembly has been trimmed to show the portions relevant to > > > >>>> this > > > >>>>>>> RFC. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Notice the labels enclose the user's defined region, and that > > > >>>> they > > > >>>>>>>>>> preserve the > > > >>>>>>>>>> user's arbitrary region identifier, the ever-so-important > > > >>>> region 42. > > > >>>>>>>>>> In the object file section .mca_code_regions, we have noted the > > > >>>>>>> user's > > > >>>>>>>>>> region > > > >>>>>>>>>> identifier (.quad 42), start address, and region size. A more > > > >>>>>>> complicated > > > >>>>>>>>>> example can have multiple regions defined within a single > > > >>>>>>> .mca_code_regions > > > >>>>>>>>>> section. This section can be read by llvm-mca, allowing > > > >>>> llvm-mca to > > > >>>>>>> take > > > >>>>>>>>>> object files as input instead of assembly source. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Details > > > >>>>>>>>>> --------- > > > >>>>>>>>>> We need a way for a user to identify a region/block of code > > > >>>> they > > > >>>>>>> want > > > >>>>>>>>>> analyzed > > > >>>>>>>>>> by llvm-mca. We solve this problem by introducing two > > > >>>> intrinsics > > > >>>>>>> that a > > > >>>>>>>>>> user can > > > >>>>>>>>>> specify, for identifying regions of code for analysis. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> The two intrinsics are: llvm.mca.code.regions.start and > > > >>>>>>>>>> llvm.mca.code.regions.end. A user can identify a code region by > > > >>>>>>> inserting > > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>> mca_code_region_start and mca_code_region_end markers. These > > > >>>> are > > > >>>>>>> simply > > > >>>>>>>>>> clang builtins and are transformed into the aforementioned > > > >>>>>>> intrinsics > > > >>>>>>>>>> during > > > >>>>>>>>>> compilation. The code between the intrinsics are what we call > > > >>>> "code > > > >>>>>>>>>> regions" > > > >>>>>>>>>> and are to be easily identifiable by llvm-mca; any code > > > >>>> between a > > > >>>>>>> start/end > > > >>>>>>>>>> pair can be analyzed by llvm-mca at a later time. A user can > > > >>>> define > > > >>>>>>>>>> multiple > > > >>>>>>>>>> non-overlapping code regions within their program. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> The llvm.mca.code.region.start intrinsic takes an integer > > > >>>> constant > > > >>>>>>> as its > > > >>>>>>>>>> only > > > >>>>>>>>>> argument. This argument is implemented as a metadata i32, and > > > >>>> is > > > >>>>>>> only used > > > >>>>>>>>>> when generating llvm-mca reports. This value allows a user to > > > >>>> more > > > >>>>>>> easily > > > >>>>>>>>>> identify a specific code region. llvm.mca.code.region.end > > > >>>> takes no > > > >>>>>>>>>> arguments. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Since we disallow nesting of regions, the first 'end' intrinsic > > > >>>>>>> lexically > > > >>>>>>>>>> following a 'start' intrinsic represents the end of that code > > > >>>>>>> region. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Now that we have a solution for identifying regions for > > > >>>> analysis, > > > >>>>>>> we now > > > >>>>>>>>>> need a > > > >>>>>>>>>> way for preserving that information to be read at a later > > > >>>> time. To > > > >>>>>>>>>> accomplish > > > >>>>>>>>>> this we propose adding a new section (.mca_code_regions) to the > > > >>>>>>> object file > > > >>>>>>>>>> generated by llvm. During code generation, the start/end > > > >>>> intrinsics > > > >>>>>>>>>> described > > > >>>>>>>>>> above will be transformed into start/end labels in assembly. > > > >>>> When > > > >>>>>>> llvm > > > >>>>>>>>>> generates the object file from the user's code, these start/end > > > >>>>>>> labels > > > >>>>>>>>>> form a > > > >>>>>>>>>> pair of values identifying the start of the user's code > > > >>>> region, and > > > >>>>>>> size. > > > >>>>>>>>>> The > > > >>>>>>>>>> size represents the number of bytes between the start and end > > > >>>>>>> address of > > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>> labels. Note that the labels are emitted during assembly > > > >>>> printing. > > > >>>>>>> We hope > > > >>>>>>>>>> that these labels have no influence on code generation or > > > >>>>>>> basic-block > > > >>>>>>>>>> placement. However, the target assembler strategy for handling > > > >>>>>>> labels is > > > >>>>>>>>>> outside of our control. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This proposed change affects the size of a binary, but only if > > > >>>> the > > > >>>>>>> user > > > >>>>>>>>>> calls > > > >>>>>>>>>> the start/end builtins mentioned above. The additional size of > > > >>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>> .mca_code_regions section, which we imagine to be very small > > > >>>> (to > > > >>>>>>> the order > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a > > > >>>>>>>>>> few bytes), can trivially be stripped by tools like 'strip' or > > > >>>>>>> 'objcopy'. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Implementation Status > > > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ > > > >>>>>>>>>> We currently have the proposed changes implemented at the url > > > >>>>>>> posted below. > > > >>>>>>>>>> This initial patch only targets ELF object files, and does not > > > >>>>>>> handle > > > >>>>>>>>>> relocatable addresses. Since the start of a code region is > > > >>>>>>> represented as > > > >>>>>>>>>> an > > > >>>>>>>>>> assembly label, and referenced in the .mca_code_regions > > > >>>> section, > > > >>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>>> address > > > >>>>>>>>>> is relocatable. That value can be represented as > > > >>>> section-relative > > > >>>>>>>>>> relocatable > > > >>>>>>>>>> symbol (.text + addend), but we are not handling that case yet. > > > >>>>>>> Instead, > > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>> proposed changes only handle linked/executable object files. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> For purposes of review and to communicate the idea, the change > > > >>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>> presented as a monolithic patch here: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> https://reviews.llvm.org/D54603 > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> The change is presented as a monolithic patch; however, if > > > >>>> accepted > > > >>>>>>>>>> the patch will be split into three smaller patches: > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1. The introduction of the builtins to clang. > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2. The llvm portion (the added intrinsics). > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3. The llvm-mca portion. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Matt > > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list > > > >>>>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list > > > >>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > > > >>>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev > > _______________________________________________ > > LLVM Developers mailing list > > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > > http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
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2018-Dec-18 04:37 UTC
[llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca.
Hi Andrea, I’ve updated the patch here: https://reviews.llvm.org/D54603/new/ I have not modified the description in the Phabricator. Of course, if this solution is the way-forward, then I will be happy to update the change description. I also modified the format of the symbol names (from what I previously describe in my last response below), to save room: “.mca_code_region.<id>.<number>”. Where “id” is the user’s specified identifier they want associated to the region (cosmetic), and “number” is a module unique number for the region. I have tested this with non-executable objects, executable files, and multiple objects linking into a single executable. Also, I am trimming this thread up (sorry, but it’s starting to get unwieldy and I think the mailing list bot is grumpy). -Matt From: Andrea Di Biagio <andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 10:12 AM To: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com> Cc: Simon Pilgrim <llvm-dev at redking.me.uk>; llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. Hi Matt, could you please update the associated patch too? Thanks -Andrea On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 5:48 PM via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote: Adding the llvm-dev list, because my email client decides to remove certain lists when I reply-all... including the list that I intend to respond to.> -----Original Message----- > From: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com<mailto:Matthew.Davis at sony.com>> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 9:47 AM > To: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com<mailto:Matthew.Davis at sony.com>>; llvm-dev at redking.me.uk<mailto:llvm-dev at redking.me.uk> > Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> > Subject: RE: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. > > Just an update to this RFC. (I thought this was going to be a short email... my > apologies). > > One of the primary limitations described in this RFC (earlier in this thread), is that the > patch for this RFC only handles linked executables. This restriction is due to myself > wanting to avoid handling relocations in a target specific manner, at least in the > initial patch. Especially so, since I want to keep the initial patch simple. However, > sometimes simple and practical are at odds with each other. I envision the main use- > case of llvm-mca, with binary support, is for analyzing .o files. Probably analyzing .o > more commonly than fully linked executables. Without handling relocated objects, > this patch seems rather useless. > > I started exploring an alternative solution this weekend to the aforementioned > problem. This alternative solution avoids having to handle relocations, but does give > us support for object files (with relocated symbols) and linked executables. The > change is quite simple, and seems to be effective. In short, we still generate > intrinsics as discussed in the RFC, one to mark the start of a code region, and > another to mark the end. These intrinsics get lowered into local symbols. The > symbols are already encoded with address information about their position in the > object file. What is different is that we ensure that these symbols have unique > names and also encode the user provided ID value. > > Previously the labels were named like: .Lmca_code_region_start_<number>, and > similar for .Lmca_code_region_end. The user id number and region size were > encoded in the .mca_code_regions object file section. Previously mca never looked > at the symbol table. But, In reality we can calculate the region size by using the > symbols in the symbol table (look for the mca symbols), instead of relying on the > information encoded in .mca_code_regions. The alternative approach gets rid of > that section entirely but achieves the same functionality by encoding the information > in the symbol name. In short the alternative approach just parses the symbol table > for MCA symbols, and the symbol names are encoded with the data we need. > > The newly proposed name is formatted > as: .Lmca_code_region_start.<id>.<function>.<number>. Similar for > mca_code_region_end. 'function' is the function that the marker appears in, 'ID' is > the user-specified ID (this is a value that users specify for easily identifying the code > region under analysis... just cosmetic), and 'number' is a unique number to avoid any > duplicate name conflicts. The benefit of this alternative solution is that we can get > rid of .mca_code_regions, and gather all of the information llvm-mca needs by > parsing the symbol table looking for any symbols with the 'mca_code_region_start' > and 'mca_code_region_end' format discussed above. Of course, if the string table is > stripped, then we will lose this data. The main drawback from this alternative > approach is that it relies on encoding symbol names and string processing on those > names. I'm somewhat biased against doing string parsing, but the code to perform > this is simple and small, and more importantly it allows llvm-mca to handle linked or > relocated object files. > > -Matt > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org>> On Behalf Of via llvm-dev > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 11:23 AM > > To: llvm-dev at redking.me.uk<mailto:llvm-dev at redking.me.uk>; llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> > > Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> > > Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. > > > > Thanks for the response Simon. My reply is inline: > > > > > From: Simon Pilgrim <llvm-dev at redking.me.uk<mailto:llvm-dev at redking.me.uk>> > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:40 PM > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > I can see a near future where perf-analysis tooling uses branch history > > > profiler captures to determine how often loops/branches are taken and > > > feeds that into llvm-mca, especially for hot/branchy loop analysis > > > reports etc. Are you confident that your approach will be easily > > > extendable for this? > > > > That is a very interesting use case. The restriction of a code-region to a single > block > > is a limitation for any tools that want to analyze branches. However, I believe > > that it will be easy to lift this restriction (it's just a check in IR/Verifier). This > > limitation is not > > expressed in the llvm-mca driver. > > > > If the information is coming from a profile report, then we'd most > > likely need to extend the llvm-mca driver to accept profile reports. Currently, > > code regions, from the perspective of the llvm-mca driver, are very simple. They > are > > just a collection of MCInst. The binary support in this RFC+patch > > disassembles just the address range from marker start address for > > some specified number of bytes. It might be useful to add another driver argument > > so that a user (or tool) can specify, from the command line, a range of instructions > > to > > analyze. I recently added a class for handling inputs to > > llvm::mca::CodeRegionGenerator, > > which is just responsible for taking some input and creating a list of MCInst that > llvm- > > mca uses. > > We could subclass this to handle profile reports. > > > > > Similarly, being able to generally embed the profile markers in object > > > libraries for reuse is going to be important for some people - I'd like > > > to see more of a plan of how this will be achieved. I understand that it > > > might not be easy for some exe formats. > > > > That is definitely a limitation. This initial patch+RFC only handles linked > > executables (i.e., the llvm-mca marker symbol addresses are resolved). > > I'm working on a better solution so that this will not be a restriction. > > In fact, I'll probably delay trying to land any patches until I solve relocations > > (or use a different solution for identifying start/end addresses for llvm-mca code > > regions). > > > > > Sorry if I'm being too critical, but I'm a bit worried that we end up > > > with an initial implementation that will take a lot of reworking to meet > > > our final aims. > > > > > > Thanks, Simon. > > > > I understand your criticisms and value your input. Thanks a ton! > > > > -Matt,-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20181218/f4859425/attachment-0001.html>
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2019-Jan-02 20:09 UTC
[llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca.
Forgot to cc the dev list (my email client seems to drop certain lists when reply-all is selected). From: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 12:08 PM To: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com>; andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org; Simon Pilgrim <llvm-dev at redking.me.uk> Subject: RE: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. I wanted to write a response to describe the current state of this RFC and accompanying patch. I’ll _try_ not to make this a wall of text. A bit deeper in the thread we discussed a few limitations of the patch: 1) The patch only worked on linked objects (relocations are resolved). 2) The patch limited code regions to a single basic block. a. This was a decision made because llvm-mca does not ‘follow’ branch instructions. The most recent version of this patch (December 17th (minor clean up on the 23rd)) addresses #1. This means that code-regions can be defined in an object file (unlinked) and can be analyzed by llvm-mca. The solution implemented relies solely on the symbol table. llvm-mca can locate each code region based on address values specified by the symbol table, but it means that we have to name the start and end symbols in a way such that llvm-mca can locate them in the symbol table. The format is discussed earlier in this thread, but it relies on llvm-mca scanning the symbol table looking for symbols with the name “.mca_code_region_{start,end}.” format. #2 Is trickier to solve, in the sense that there’s no right way. I removed the error checker (IR/Verifier.cpp) that rejected programs if a code region spans multiple blocks. In short, code regions are just labels (start,end) and llvm does not verify their depth (if they span multiple blocks). Instead, llvm now just checks that regions are terminated and that a regions are not nested (which the patch has always done). This means that llvm-mca will handle regions that span multiple blocks, as it currently does if the user would have manually instrumented the assembly input with #LLVM-MCA-BEGIN comments that encapsulate instructions that span multiple blocks. I hope that this is a reasonable solution? In short I think we have addressed #1, and possibly #2. By lifting the restriction to #2 (removing the IR/Verifier check), we now put the responsibility for rejecting regions to llvm-mca (in the case of regions that span multiple basic blocks). In other words, when it comes to multiple blocks, this patch maintains the same semantics as the LLVM-MCA-BEGIN comments a user can add to their assembly. When branch handling is implemented in llvm-mca, we would want to lift this restriction in the complier anyways. https://reviews.llvm.org/D54603/new/ -Matt From: llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org>> On Behalf Of via llvm-dev Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:38 PM To: andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com<mailto:andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com> Cc: llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. Hi Andrea, I’ve updated the patch here: https://reviews.llvm.org/D54603/new/ I have not modified the description in the Phabricator. Of course, if this solution is the way-forward, then I will be happy to update the change description. I also modified the format of the symbol names (from what I previously describe in my last response below), to save room: “.mca_code_region.<id>.<number>”. Where “id” is the user’s specified identifier they want associated to the region (cosmetic), and “number” is a module unique number for the region. I have tested this with non-executable objects, executable files, and multiple objects linking into a single executable. Also, I am trimming this thread up (sorry, but it’s starting to get unwieldy and I think the mailing list bot is grumpy). -Matt From: Andrea Di Biagio <andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com<mailto:andrea.dibiagio at gmail.com>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 10:12 AM To: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com<mailto:Matthew.Davis at sony.com>> Cc: Simon Pilgrim <llvm-dev at redking.me.uk<mailto:llvm-dev at redking.me.uk>>; llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>>; cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. Hi Matt, could you please update the associated patch too? Thanks -Andrea On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 5:48 PM via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote: Adding the llvm-dev list, because my email client decides to remove certain lists when I reply-all... including the list that I intend to respond to.> -----Original Message----- > From: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com<mailto:Matthew.Davis at sony.com>> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 9:47 AM > To: Davis, Matthew <Matthew.Davis at sony.com<mailto:Matthew.Davis at sony.com>>; llvm-dev at redking.me.uk<mailto:llvm-dev at redking.me.uk> > Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> > Subject: RE: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. > > Just an update to this RFC. (I thought this was going to be a short email... my > apologies). > > One of the primary limitations described in this RFC (earlier in this thread), is that the > patch for this RFC only handles linked executables. This restriction is due to myself > wanting to avoid handling relocations in a target specific manner, at least in the > initial patch. Especially so, since I want to keep the initial patch simple. However, > sometimes simple and practical are at odds with each other. I envision the main use- > case of llvm-mca, with binary support, is for analyzing .o files. Probably analyzing .o > more commonly than fully linked executables. Without handling relocated objects, > this patch seems rather useless. > > I started exploring an alternative solution this weekend to the aforementioned > problem. This alternative solution avoids having to handle relocations, but does give > us support for object files (with relocated symbols) and linked executables. The > change is quite simple, and seems to be effective. In short, we still generate > intrinsics as discussed in the RFC, one to mark the start of a code region, and > another to mark the end. These intrinsics get lowered into local symbols. The > symbols are already encoded with address information about their position in the > object file. What is different is that we ensure that these symbols have unique > names and also encode the user provided ID value. > > Previously the labels were named like: .Lmca_code_region_start_<number>, and > similar for .Lmca_code_region_end. The user id number and region size were > encoded in the .mca_code_regions object file section. Previously mca never looked > at the symbol table. But, In reality we can calculate the region size by using the > symbols in the symbol table (look for the mca symbols), instead of relying on the > information encoded in .mca_code_regions. The alternative approach gets rid of > that section entirely but achieves the same functionality by encoding the information > in the symbol name. In short the alternative approach just parses the symbol table > for MCA symbols, and the symbol names are encoded with the data we need. > > The newly proposed name is formatted > as: .Lmca_code_region_start.<id>.<function>.<number>. Similar for > mca_code_region_end. 'function' is the function that the marker appears in, 'ID' is > the user-specified ID (this is a value that users specify for easily identifying the code > region under analysis... just cosmetic), and 'number' is a unique number to avoid any > duplicate name conflicts. The benefit of this alternative solution is that we can get > rid of .mca_code_regions, and gather all of the information llvm-mca needs by > parsing the symbol table looking for any symbols with the 'mca_code_region_start' > and 'mca_code_region_end' format discussed above. Of course, if the string table is > stripped, then we will lose this data. The main drawback from this alternative > approach is that it relies on encoding symbol names and string processing on those > names. I'm somewhat biased against doing string parsing, but the code to perform > this is simple and small, and more importantly it allows llvm-mca to handle linked or > relocated object files. > > -Matt > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org>> On Behalf Of via llvm-dev > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 11:23 AM > > To: llvm-dev at redking.me.uk<mailto:llvm-dev at redking.me.uk>; llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> > > Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> > > Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC][llvm-mca] Adding binary support to llvm-mca. > > > > Thanks for the response Simon. My reply is inline: > > > > > From: Simon Pilgrim <llvm-dev at redking.me.uk<mailto:llvm-dev at redking.me.uk>> > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:40 PM > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > I can see a near future where perf-analysis tooling uses branch history > > > profiler captures to determine how often loops/branches are taken and > > > feeds that into llvm-mca, especially for hot/branchy loop analysis > > > reports etc. Are you confident that your approach will be easily > > > extendable for this? > > > > That is a very interesting use case. The restriction of a code-region to a single > block > > is a limitation for any tools that want to analyze branches. However, I believe > > that it will be easy to lift this restriction (it's just a check in IR/Verifier). This > > limitation is not > > expressed in the llvm-mca driver. > > > > If the information is coming from a profile report, then we'd most > > likely need to extend the llvm-mca driver to accept profile reports. Currently, > > code regions, from the perspective of the llvm-mca driver, are very simple. They > are > > just a collection of MCInst. The binary support in this RFC+patch > > disassembles just the address range from marker start address for > > some specified number of bytes. It might be useful to add another driver argument > > so that a user (or tool) can specify, from the command line, a range of instructions > > to > > analyze. I recently added a class for handling inputs to > > llvm::mca::CodeRegionGenerator, > > which is just responsible for taking some input and creating a list of MCInst that > llvm- > > mca uses. > > We could subclass this to handle profile reports. > > > > > Similarly, being able to generally embed the profile markers in object > > > libraries for reuse is going to be important for some people - I'd like > > > to see more of a plan of how this will be achieved. I understand that it > > > might not be easy for some exe formats. > > > > That is definitely a limitation. This initial patch+RFC only handles linked > > executables (i.e., the llvm-mca marker symbol addresses are resolved). > > I'm working on a better solution so that this will not be a restriction. > > In fact, I'll probably delay trying to land any patches until I solve relocations > > (or use a different solution for identifying start/end addresses for llvm-mca code > > regions). > > > > > Sorry if I'm being too critical, but I'm a bit worried that we end up > > > with an initial implementation that will take a lot of reworking to meet > > > our final aims. > > > > > > Thanks, Simon. > > > > I understand your criticisms and value your input. Thanks a ton! > > > > -Matt,-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20190102/a539f803/attachment-0001.html>