Peter, I strongly suggest that you take a break from this email thread and careful consider the points Chandler has made about community norms and expectations before returning to this discussion. Chandler has been exceedingly patient with explaining why your behaviour is problematic and made several concrete suggestions as to productive next steps you should take. You are actively violating the community expectations around interaction on the public mailing lists. Your behaviour on this thread is not acceptable and must stop. Philip On 06/28/2017 11:03 PM, Chandler Carruth via llvm-dev wrote:> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:53 PM Peter Lawrence > <peterl95124 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:peterl95124 at sbcglobal.net>> wrote: > > > > > Having read all of these threads, I am thoroughly convinced by > the positions put forward by others. > > > > Chandler, > others have decided to let the compiler continue > mis-compiling the > function-inlining example, others have decided to not fix the > inability to hoist > a loop invariant divide out of a loop. It sounds like you haven’t > even thought > about these things let alone be convinced by anything. Am I > missing something > or have you forgotten what we are talking about here ? > > > Please stop with (what I can only interpret as) personal attacks. I > haven't forgotten what we are talking about. > > > _______________________________________________ > LLVM Developers mailing list > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170628/850d088a/attachment.html>
Philip, email responses are varied, some say what you do, but others say give the guys a chance and listen to what he has to say. I say that I have a mild personality disorder such that I can’t say things in politically correct style, and that this is a disability that I have had for the last third of my adult life. I would like to think that folks could accommodate someone with a disability. I would like to think that llvm-dev could be such a place. Peter Lawrence.> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:26 PM, Philip Reames <listmail at philipreames.com> wrote: > > Peter, > > I strongly suggest that you take a break from this email thread and careful consider the points Chandler has made about community norms and expectations before returning to this discussion. > > Chandler has been exceedingly patient with explaining why your behaviour is problematic and made several concrete suggestions as to productive next steps you should take. > > You are actively violating the community expectations around interaction on the public mailing lists. Your behaviour on this thread is not acceptable and must stop. > > Philip > > On 06/28/2017 11:03 PM, Chandler Carruth via llvm-dev wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:53 PM Peter Lawrence <peterl95124 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:peterl95124 at sbcglobal.net>> wrote: >> > >> > Having read all of these threads, I am thoroughly convinced by the positions put forward by others. >> > >> >> Chandler, >> others have decided to let the compiler continue mis-compiling the >> function-inlining example, others have decided to not fix the inability to hoist >> a loop invariant divide out of a loop. It sounds like you haven’t even thought >> about these things let alone be convinced by anything. Am I missing something >> or have you forgotten what we are talking about here ? >> >> Please stop with (what I can only interpret as) personal attacks. I haven't forgotten what we are talking about. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LLVM Developers mailing list >> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> >> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev <http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev> >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170628/1b620535/attachment.html>
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Peter Lawrence via llvm-dev < llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:> Philip, > email responses are varied, some say what you do, but > others say give the guys a chance and listen to what he has to say. > > I say that I have a mild personality disorder such that I can’t say > things in politically correct style, and that this is a disability that I > have had for the last third of my adult life. >This is 100% not about political correctness. It's about the repeated lack of empathy and understanding. You believe the things you are saying are somehow right, and the reason others disengage is because they can't handle the rightness. This is your repeated quip about about others have an emotional reaction to your rightness. As mentioned repeatedly now, the reason they are disengaging, is, bluntly, they think you are both wrong and and asshole. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170629/e14e3033/attachment-0001.html>
I say that I have a mild personality disorder such that I can’t say things in politically correct style, and that this is a disability that I have had for the last third of my adult life. I would like to think that folks could accommodate someone with a disability. I would like to think that llvm-dev could be such a place. You are not alone in making such a claim. However, claiming an inability to discern hurtful behavior does not give you license to commit hurtful behavior. In a community whose norms include avoiding hurtful behavior, it means you need to pay more attention to that possibility in order to meet those norms. Here's a procedure I try to use after writing an email, and that has been helpful: if (mentioned someone or addressed remarks directly to someone) and (attributed some non-technical motivation or emotional response to that person) then remove or rewrite that part Note that the nature (positive or negative) of the attributed motivation or response is not relevant, just that I am making such an attribution. Mostly I can identify those cases pretty easily. It gets me to change statements like "Peter, you are emotionally incapable of participating positively in this community" to "Peter, here's a tactic to help you participate more positively in this community." Hope this helps, --paulr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170629/a8a483c3/attachment.html>