Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev
2017-Jan-24 16:19 UTC
[llvm-dev] Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Sean Silva <chisophugis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Chandler Carruth <chandlerc at gmail.com <mailto:chandlerc at gmail.com>> wrote: > This thread kinda died. I'd like to revive it. > > The new PM stuff is making excellent progress, and this is actually one of the last things to clean up. > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:10 AM Sean Silva <chisophugis at gmail.com <mailto:chisophugis at gmail.com>> wrote: > Thoughts? For the moment I have put in a workaround (r274457) that makes jump-threading invalidate LVI. > > Is everybody happy with this workaround? > > I wasn't too happy with it, but I had no better suggestion. > > As the infrastructure matured, what I think is a substantially less horrible workaround is available in the form of what I implemented in r292773. Instead of just working around this for each analysis, this works around it in GlobalDCE for *any* function analysis stashing an AssertingVH. The down side is that it only defends against *function* removal and *function* analyses. =[ > > This may be a tiny bit better in some senses, but in others its worse, and frankly I think it is a pretty gross hack even in the best of cases. But let's take a look at some of the cases you identified: > > #1: CallGraph has an asserting VH on functions. But my workaround doesn't help at all, much to my surprise afterward! Why? Well of course because CallGraph is a *module analysis*. We can't just go invalidating every module analysis every time we remove a function... :: sigh :: > > #2: SCEV and LVI have *basic block* asserting VHs. For some reason, all the test cases I have stem from deleting an entire function, but there is no real reason that will be the case. It seems entirely plausible to nuke a basic block out from under one of these. > > So no, I think we need a better answer here. > > > After thinking about this a lot, and trying and failing to implement less awful workarounds, I think AssertingVHes embedded in analysis results in fundamentally incompatible with caching of results. > > The cache gets invalidated automatically but not the instant the IR gets mutated. The assert happens too soon, and things blow up. > > Yeah, this is the crux of the problem and clearly incompatible with caching that is updated at the boundaries of transformation pass runs. The operations you're allowed to do or not on the IR should not depend on what analyses happen to be cached or not. For an analysis to hold an AssertingVH is basically saying "you cannot delete this part of the IR as long as I'm cached" which is not something an analysis should be allowed to do IMO.Another view of it is that there should be another handle that triggers the invalidation of the analysis when this IR is changed: i.e. keeping the analysis cached while it holds a reference to the IR can be seen as the problem. — Mehdi> > In principle, one alternative is to trigger the invalidation of the cached analysis result right before we delete the thing it is holding the AssertingVH on. But then in what sense in the AssertingVH actually "asserting"? At that point it is just a CallbackVH that triggers invalidation. > > I don't think we want to force cache invalidation logic in every pass that deletes a Value. =[ > > So I think we should move away from AssertingVH in analysis results. If you need a more powerful debugging tool than ASan (or analogous) provides, we can build a DebugOnlyWeakVH or some such that becomes null immediately in debug builds. Or that has a asserting-only-if-used behavior rather than the eager assert we have today. But I'm inclined to build that tool when folks are first debugging something and tools like ASan are insufficient rather than eagerly. > > > Any objections to this? I'd really like to nuke the 3 cases Sean identified in the tree (CallGraph, LVI, SCEV) and stop hacking around them. > > SGTM. > > -- Sean Silva > > > -Chandler-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170124/4f68f35f/attachment-0001.html>
Chandler Carruth via llvm-dev
2017-Jan-24 19:59 UTC
[llvm-dev] Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:19 AM Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev < llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:> > Another view of it is that there should be another handle that triggers > the invalidation of the analysis when this IR is changed: i.e. keeping the > analysis cached while it holds a reference to the IR can be seen as the > problem. >The issue is only with Asserting VH, not with other kinds of value handles though. So with those, we would have different invalidation in NDEBUG from !NDEBUG? Or would you always do this invalidation? I guess I'm not too clear what the concrete approach here would be. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170124/54e9ea1b/attachment.html>
Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev
2017-Jan-24 20:39 UTC
[llvm-dev] Should analyses be able to hold AssertingVH to IR? (related to PR28400)
> On Jan 24, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Chandler Carruth <chandlerc at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:19 AM Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote: > > Another view of it is that there should be another handle that triggers the invalidation of the analysis when this IR is changed: i.e. keeping the analysis cached while it holds a reference to the IR can be seen as the problem. > > The issue is only with Asserting VH, not with other kinds of value handles though. So with those, we would have different invalidation in NDEBUG from !NDEBUG? Or would you always do this invalidation?Not sure why would the invalidation be different? If you have an AssertingVH in your analysis, you need a mechanism to invalidate it before the assertion fires. But that invalidation needs to happens both in NDEBUG and !NDEBUG consistently (even if there wouldn’t be an assertion in NDEBUG mode if this is violated) .> I guess I'm not too clear what the concrete approach here would be.I should have mentioned that I didn’t give much thought about a concrete plan, it was more an abstract view on the semantic of holding AssertingVH. Deciding that AssertingVH is the wrong semantic for a given analysis can be OK (I believe this is what you did right?), and there might not be any practical alternative (to provide invalidation on the fly when IR is deleted). — Mehdi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170124/9be1c04a/attachment.html>