llvm dev - Sep 2015 - Euro LLVM videos finally online - proposal to use torrents for sharing

On Sep 8, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Renato Golin via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> 
> On 8 September 2015 at 19:20, Tanya Lattner <tonic at nondot.org>
wrote:
>> Youtube has been discussed in the past but we have usually defaulted to
>> mainly hosted on llvm.org and then a copy could potentially be on
YouTube. I
>> would want this to be an official posting though.
> 
> Youtube is used by many foundations and conferences out there as the
> official channel for their presentations, tutorial videos, outreach,
> etc.
> 
> It can also be embedded in web pages, and there are good builtin
> plugins for all mobile platforms and browsers. It's not as easy to
> make an mp4 work out of the box in a way that you hope it would.
> 
> I don't see a problem in hosting the videos *in addition* to having
> them in a CDN, but especially because Youtube is free and ubiquitous,
> anything else (maybe apart from Vimeo) would be less ideal, especially
> if they require plugins for browsers or mobiles, even if they're free.
Anything that doesn’t *offer* a download option (breaking ToS is not an option)
shouldn't be considered as the primary hosting IMO, which disqualify Youtube
IIUC their ToS.

Tanya's proposal seems nice: having the video hosted by llvm.org and
mirrored to Youtube would be a good tradeoff.

— 
Mehdi

On 8 September 2015 at 21:05, Mehdi Amini <mehdi.amini at apple.com>
wrote:
> Anything that doesn’t *offer* a download option (breaking ToS is not an
option) shouldn't be considered as the primary hosting IMO, which disqualify
Youtube IIUC their ToS.
Absolutely agreed! That's why we're referring to Youtube as a CDN, not
as storage. :)

--renato

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Renato Golin via llvm-dev <
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 8 September 2015 at 19:20, Tanya Lattner <tonic at
nondot.org> wrote:
> >> Youtube has been discussed in the past but we have usually
defaulted to
> >> mainly hosted on llvm.org and then a copy could potentially be on
> YouTube. I
> >> would want this to be an official posting though.
> >
> > Youtube is used by many foundations and conferences out there as the
> > official channel for their presentations, tutorial videos, outreach,
> > etc.
> >
> > It can also be embedded in web pages, and there are good builtin
> > plugins for all mobile platforms and browsers. It's not as easy to
> > make an mp4 work out of the box in a way that you hope it would.
> >
> > I don't see a problem in hosting the videos *in addition* to
having
> > them in a CDN, but especially because Youtube is free and ubiquitous,
> > anything else (maybe apart from Vimeo) would be less ideal, especially
> > if they require plugins for browsers or mobiles, even if they're
free.
>
> Anything that doesn’t *offer* a download option (breaking ToS is not an
> option) shouldn't be considered as the primary hosting IMO, which
> disqualify Youtube IIUC their ToS.
>
> Tanya's proposal seems nice: having the video hosted by llvm.org and
> mirrored to Youtube would be a good tradeoff.
>
+1

-- Sean Silva

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On 9/8/15 4:13 PM, Sean Silva via llvm-dev wrote:
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>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev
> <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
>
>     On Sep 8, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Renato Golin via llvm-dev
>     <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
>     >
>     > On 8 September 2015 at 19:20, Tanya Lattner <tonic at
nondot.org <mailto:tonic at nondot.org>> wrote:
>     >> Youtube has been discussed in the past but we have usually
defaulted to
>     >> mainly hosted onllvm.org <http://llvm.org> and then a
copy could potentially be on
>     YouTube. I
>     >> would want this to be an official posting though.
>     >
>     > Youtube is used by many foundations and conferences out there as
the
>     > official channel for their presentations, tutorial videos,
outreach,
>     > etc.
>     >
>     > It can also be embedded in web pages, and there are good builtin
>     > plugins for all mobile platforms and browsers. It's not as
easy to
>     > make an mp4 work out of the box in a way that you hope it would.
>     >
>     > I don't see a problem in hosting the videos *in addition* to
having
>     > them in a CDN, but especially because Youtube is free and
ubiquitous,
>     > anything else (maybe apart from Vimeo) would be less ideal,
especially
>     > if they require plugins for browsers or mobiles, even if
they're free.
>
>     Anything that doesn’t *offer* a download option (breaking ToS is not
>     an option) shouldn't be considered as the primary hosting IMO,
which
>     disqualify Youtube IIUC their ToS.
>
>     Tanya's proposal seems nice: having the video hosted by llvm.org
>     <http://llvm.org> and mirrored to Youtube would be a good
tradeoff.
>
Preferably also with a note nearby saying that people linking to 
HN/reddit/slashdot should use the CDN version, rather than the llvm.org 
version... it's not fun when that kind of DDoS brings down the services 
we need for development.


Jon
>
> +1
>
> -- Sean Silva
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