llvm dev - Nov 2014 - [LLVMdev] [llgo-dev] Re: Proposal: add Go frontend subproject based on llgo

Hi all,

I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject to the LLVM
project, based on the existing llgo project at https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this contribution,
to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their changes
under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
llgo subproject.

The frontend would live in the LLVM svn repository and if checked out into
tools/llgo would build as part of the regular LLVM build (with CMake only). We
would be keeping llgo compatible with top-of-tree LLVM, although I imagine
this would be less burdensome than the other subprojects as llgo is written
in Go and depends on the Go bindings previously contributed to LLVM.

llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the Go
standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and two
library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and libffi). These
would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party directory. They
would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with Runtime
Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header files;
eventually we would seek to replace these).

As a first step, I have published:

http://reviews.llvm.org/D6327

with the initial code contribution. The mirrored third-party sources will be
added later, as the diff would be too large to review. If there is consensus
in the community, the next step I propose to take is to create the subproject
in svn and check in the initial version of the code.

Any comments on this contribution are appreciated.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter

On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Peter Collingbourne <peter at pcc.me.uk>
wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject to the
LLVM
> project, based on the existing llgo project at
https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
> As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
> permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this
contribution,
> to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their changes
> under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
> llgo subproject.
Fantastic.  As we discussed at the LLVM Developer Meeting, I’m in favor of this.
However, new subprojects need to be approved by the LLVM Foundation board of
directors.  Chandler can help orchestrate this.
> llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the Go
> standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and two
> library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and libffi).
These
> would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party directory.
They
> would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with Runtime
> Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header files;
> eventually we would seek to replace these).
It is up to the board, but MHO is that the GPLv3 pieces should be rewritten
before we can accept the code.  That way we have purity in the full commit
history of the subproject repository (i.e. someone wouldn’t accidentally get
GPL3 code by checking out the wrong version number or because they use git).

For the other incorporated dependencies, just make sure to list them (and their
licenses) in the top level LICENSE.TXT file.

Thanks for driving this Peter,

-Chris

A quick browse through the contributors on
https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo/graphs/contributors and some searches in my
mail suggests that none of the primary contributors are part of the LLVM
community. How are they going to continue developing llgo once it is the
LLVM repo?

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the advantage of having this
in-tree as an LLVM project? I typically associate the following advantages
to having something in-tree:

1. You can get the awesome code review of the LLVM community.
2. If people are changing the API, they have to fix in-tree stuff, so you
are shielded from ongoing maintenance burden.

Since the code is in go, you don't really get 1; the community speaks C++.
IIRC the bindings are based on the C API, so they are stable and so 2
doesn't apply.

What are the advantages to having it checked in to the LLVM project?

-- Sean Silva


On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Peter Collingbourne <peter at pcc.me.uk>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject to the
> LLVM
> project, based on the existing llgo project at
> https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
> As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
> permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this
> contribution,
> to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their changes
> under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
> llgo subproject.
>
> The frontend would live in the LLVM svn repository and if checked out into
> tools/llgo would build as part of the regular LLVM build (with CMake
> only). We
> would be keeping llgo compatible with top-of-tree LLVM, although I imagine
> this would be less burdensome than the other subprojects as llgo is written
> in Go and depends on the Go bindings previously contributed to LLVM.
>
> llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the Go
> standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and two
> library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and libffi).
> These
> would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party directory.
> They
> would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with Runtime
> Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header files;
> eventually we would seek to replace these).
>
> As a first step, I have published:
>
> http://reviews.llvm.org/D6327
>
> with the initial code contribution. The mirrored third-party sources will
> be
> added later, as the diff would be too large to review. If there is
> consensus
> in the community, the next step I propose to take is to create the
> subproject
> in svn and check in the initial version of the code.
>
> Any comments on this contribution are appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> LLVM Developers mailing list
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> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev
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Hi Peter,

I don't have much experience with Go or the LLVM Go bindings so I
don't know any technical reasons for doing this but I do have a high
level question.

Why do this? In my experience having code hosted on GitHub (as llgo is
now) is quite nice because receiving contributions is much easier
(which hopefully means you will get more) and code review is simpler.
GitHub has lots of nice services (e.g. github.io pages, TravisCI and
Gitter) as well.

GitHub also has much better authentication (e.g. SSH keys and 2FA) and
repository separation where as LLVM is just one huge SVN repo where
everyone has access to every project and security isn't so good (e.g.
no 2FA, passwords are truncated to 8 characters because of the use of
CRYPT for generating the password hashes and SSLv3 is still in use).

The only advantages I can think of being a LLVM sub project are

* Your code is less likely to be silently broken by the fast passed
development of LLVM as it will trigger buildbot failures (assuming you
set one up for llgo).
* Being a sub project of LLVM gives the project more of an "official"
status.

Are these the reasons enough to justify the move or are there reasons
that I've missed?

Also will llgo on GitHub disappear entirely?

Thanks,
Dan.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 01:53:17PM -0800, Peter Collingbourne
wrote:
> llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the Go
> standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and two
> library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and libffi).
I think providing a better alternative to libffi is already a goal of
some people, but what is libbacktrace needed for? What is not provided
by the Itanium Unwind ABI?

Joerg

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Sean Silva <chisophugis at gmail.com>
wrote:
> A quick browse through the contributors on
> https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo/graphs/contributors and some searches in my
> mail suggests that none of the primary contributors are part of the LLVM
> community. How are they going to continue developing llgo once it is the
> LLVM repo?
I am the original author of llgo, and FWIW I'm happy to work with the
LLVM infrastructure. Learning a new submission procedure isn't what's
going to hold me back, it's just lack of time right now.
Apart from Peter, there was really only one other who submitted a
significant amount of work, and he has not been involved for a fair
while now.

Cheers,
Andrew
> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the advantage of having this
> in-tree as an LLVM project? I typically associate the following advantages
> to having something in-tree:
>
> 1. You can get the awesome code review of the LLVM community.
> 2. If people are changing the API, they have to fix in-tree stuff, so you
> are shielded from ongoing maintenance burden.
>
> Since the code is in go, you don't really get 1; the community speaks
C++.
> IIRC the bindings are based on the C API, so they are stable and so 2
> doesn't apply.
>
> What are the advantages to having it checked in to the LLVM project?
>
> -- Sean Silva
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Peter Collingbourne <peter at
pcc.me.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject to
the
>> LLVM
>> project, based on the existing llgo project at
>> https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
>> As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
>> permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this
>> contribution,
>> to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their
>> changes
>> under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
>> llgo subproject.
>>
>> The frontend would live in the LLVM svn repository and if checked out
into
>> tools/llgo would build as part of the regular LLVM build (with CMake
>> only). We
>> would be keeping llgo compatible with top-of-tree LLVM, although I
imagine
>> this would be less burdensome than the other subprojects as llgo is
>> written
>> in Go and depends on the Go bindings previously contributed to LLVM.
>>
>> llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the Go
>> standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and
two
>> library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and libffi).
>> These
>> would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party
directory.
>> They
>> would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with
Runtime
>> Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header
files;
>> eventually we would seek to replace these).
>>
>> As a first step, I have published:
>>
>> http://reviews.llvm.org/D6327
>>
>> with the initial code contribution. The mirrored third-party sources
will
>> be
>> added later, as the diff would be too large to review. If there is
>> consensus
>> in the community, the next step I propose to take is to create the
>> subproject
>> in svn and check in the initial version of the code.
>>
>> Any comments on this contribution are appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Peter
>> _______________________________________________
>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu         http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu
>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Andrew Wilkins
http://awilkins.id.au

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 02:57:37PM -0800, Sean Silva
wrote:
> A quick browse through the contributors on
> https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo/graphs/contributors and some searches in my
> mail suggests that none of the primary contributors are part of the LLVM
> community. How are they going to continue developing llgo once it is the
> LLVM repo?
The two main contributors are Andrew Wilkins and myself; I know that Andrew
is supportive of this move and presumably would continue to contribute in
the project's new location.

I don't know why most of my contributions are not showing on that page,
but I have contributed over 200 commits to llgo.
> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the advantage of having this
> in-tree as an LLVM project? I typically associate the following advantages
> to having something in-tree:
> 
> 1. You can get the awesome code review of the LLVM community.
> 2. If people are changing the API, they have to fix in-tree stuff, so you
> are shielded from ongoing maintenance burden.
> 
> Since the code is in go, you don't really get 1; the community speaks
C++.
There is a subset of the community that is bilingual and willing to do code
review. As I mentioned, I am willing to be the code owner for this subproject,
so things will get reviewed.
> IIRC the bindings are based on the C API, so they are stable and so 2
> doesn't apply.
The bindings do use certain unstable APIs, such as debug info, and we may
decide to expand them to expose other unstable APIs. See also some of the
discussion in http://reviews.llvm.org/D5684

There are other advantages to having the project be part of LLVM. For example,
the standard library is built using llgo and a compatible version of Clang,
and this will be more important if we LTO the libgo library. At the moment,
llgo is built using a hackish set of shell scripts that make the correct
pieces of LLVM and Clang available; things are much simpler if everything
is built together.

The same goes for the sanitizer libraries in compiler-rt, which are fiddly
to use with llgo at the moment.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:19:06AM +0100, Joerg Sonnenberger
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 01:53:17PM -0800, Peter Collingbourne wrote:
> > llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the
Go
> > standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and
two
> > library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and
libffi).
> 
> I think providing a better alternative to libffi is already a goal of
> some people, but what is libbacktrace needed for? What is not provided
> by the Itanium Unwind ABI?
According to the libbacktrace readme file:
> As of September 2012, libbacktrace only supports ELF executables with
> DWARF debugging information.  The library is written to make it
> straightforward to add support for other object file and debugging
> formats.
Ian (the author of libbacktrace) may be able to provide more context.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter

On 19 Nov 2014, at 22:57, Sean Silva <chisophugis at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since the code is in go, you don't really get 1; the community speaks
C++.
At least some of us also speak go...

David

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 01:53:17PM -0800, Peter Collingbourne
wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject to the
LLVM
> project, based on the existing llgo project at
https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
> As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
> permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this
contribution,
> to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their changes
> under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
> llgo subproject.
> 
> The frontend would live in the LLVM svn repository and if checked out into
> tools/llgo would build as part of the regular LLVM build (with CMake only).
We
> would be keeping llgo compatible with top-of-tree LLVM, although I imagine
> this would be less burdensome than the other subprojects as llgo is written
> in Go and depends on the Go bindings previously contributed to LLVM.
> 
> llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the Go
> standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and two
> library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and libffi).
These
> would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party directory.
They
> would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with Runtime
> Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header files;
> eventually we would seek to replace these).
> 
Why do libbacktrace and libffi need to be mirrored in the llgo
repository?  Can't llgo link with system versions of these libraries?

-Tom
> As a first step, I have published:
> 
> http://reviews.llvm.org/D6327
> 
> with the initial code contribution. The mirrored third-party sources will
be
> added later, as the diff would be too large to review. If there is
consensus
> in the community, the next step I propose to take is to create the
subproject
> in svn and check in the initial version of the code.
> 
> Any comments on this contribution are appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> LLVM Developers mailing list
> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu         http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu
> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:32:45AM -0500, Tom Stellard
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 01:53:17PM -0800, Peter Collingbourne wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject
to the LLVM
> > project, based on the existing llgo project at
https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
> > As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
> > permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this
contribution,
> > to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their
changes
> > under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
> > llgo subproject.
> > 
> > The frontend would live in the LLVM svn repository and if checked out
into
> > tools/llgo would build as part of the regular LLVM build (with CMake
only). We
> > would be keeping llgo compatible with top-of-tree LLVM, although I
imagine
> > this would be less burdensome than the other subprojects as llgo is
written
> > in Go and depends on the Go bindings previously contributed to LLVM.
> > 
> > llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the
Go
> > standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and
two
> > library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and
libffi). These
> > would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party
directory. They
> > would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with
Runtime
> > Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header
files;
> > eventually we would seek to replace these).
> > 
> 
> Why do libbacktrace and libffi need to be mirrored in the llgo
> repository?  Can't llgo link with system versions of these libraries?
There are not necessarily going to be suitable system versions of these
libraries available. GCC seems to treat them more like implementation details
of their own runtime libraries. The libbacktrace library, for example, is
not installed on my machine in a central location, rather it appears in a
version-specific directory under /usr/lib/gcc.

The libffi that we use may also have Go-specific patches (e.g. [1]), so we
cannot use the system one.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter

[1] https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2014-10/msg01009.html

I must profess a dislike for the trend of corporate languages-as-platforms that
appears to have spawned the Go project, along with several other recent
languages. Based on the disaster Oracle has made of Java, I think that having a
single corporation behind a language and not working toward standardization is
not a healthy sign.

That you are working on a properly-licensed open source frontend is a great
start in a positive direction. I want to understand more about Go in order to
understand the issues that will come from integrating this frontend. Put another
way -- this is an opportunity for you to evangelize the language, teaching us
old C fuddy-duddies all about Go and why it deserves our attention. What is it
being used for? How widespread is the adoption? Is there some TL;DR reading out
there we should focus our time on? Is there an equivalent of Gary Berhardt's
excellent WAT presentation that addresses the gotchas in the language design
that we should also be aware of?

Alex

On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Peter Collingbourne <peter at pcc.me.uk>
wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject to the
LLVM
> project, based on the existing llgo project at
https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
> As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
> permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this
contribution,
> to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their changes
> under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
> llgo subproject.
> 
> The frontend would live in the LLVM svn repository and if checked out into
> tools/llgo would build as part of the regular LLVM build (with CMake only).
We
> would be keeping llgo compatible with top-of-tree LLVM, although I imagine
> this would be less burdensome than the other subprojects as llgo is written
> in Go and depends on the Go bindings previously contributed to LLVM.
> 
> llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the Go
> standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and two
> library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and libffi).
These
> would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party directory.
They
> would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with Runtime
> Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header files;
> eventually we would seek to replace these).
> 
> As a first step, I have published:
> 
> http://reviews.llvm.org/D6327
> 
> with the initial code contribution. The mirrored third-party sources will
be
> added later, as the diff would be too large to review. If there is
consensus
> in the community, the next step I propose to take is to create the
subproject
> in svn and check in the initial version of the code.
> 
> Any comments on this contribution are appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> LLVM Developers mailing list
> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu         http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu
> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev

Hi Alex,

A good recent summary of the language and its community is found here:
http://blog.golang.org/5years
You will see from that article that a number of companies and open source
projects have adopted the language. If you follow the links there you can
also read more about the philosophy behind the language.

I also just wanted to clarify that the 'gc' implementation of the Go
language,
which is the one maintained by the Go team at Google and the one that most
people use, is BSD licensed, and most of the runtime library code that
llgo uses is based on that implementation. There are other reasons besides
licensing why one would want to use the llgo frontend :)

Peter

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 05:39:18PM -0800, Alex Rosenberg
wrote:
> I must profess a dislike for the trend of corporate languages-as-platforms
that appears to have spawned the Go project, along with several other recent
languages. Based on the disaster Oracle has made of Java, I think that having a
single corporation behind a language and not working toward standardization is
not a healthy sign.
> 
> That you are working on a properly-licensed open source frontend is a great
start in a positive direction. I want to understand more about Go in order to
understand the issues that will come from integrating this frontend. Put another
way -- this is an opportunity for you to evangelize the language, teaching us
old C fuddy-duddies all about Go and why it deserves our attention. What is it
being used for? How widespread is the adoption? Is there some TL;DR reading out
there we should focus our time on? Is there an equivalent of Gary Berhardt's
excellent WAT presentation that addresses the gotchas in the language design
that we should also be aware of?
> 
> Alex
> 
> On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Peter Collingbourne <peter at pcc.me.uk>
wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject
to the LLVM
> > project, based on the existing llgo project at
https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
> > As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
> > permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this
contribution,
> > to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their
changes
> > under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
> > llgo subproject.
> > 
> > The frontend would live in the LLVM svn repository and if checked out
into
> > tools/llgo would build as part of the regular LLVM build (with CMake
only). We
> > would be keeping llgo compatible with top-of-tree LLVM, although I
imagine
> > this would be less burdensome than the other subprojects as llgo is
written
> > in Go and depends on the Go bindings previously contributed to LLVM.
> > 
> > llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the
Go
> > standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and
two
> > library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and
libffi). These
> > would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party
directory. They
> > would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with
Runtime
> > Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header
files;
> > eventually we would seek to replace these).
> > 
> > As a first step, I have published:
> > 
> > http://reviews.llvm.org/D6327
> > 
> > with the initial code contribution. The mirrored third-party sources
will be
> > added later, as the diff would be too large to review. If there is
consensus
> > in the community, the next step I propose to take is to create the
subproject
> > in svn and check in the initial version of the code.
> > 
> > Any comments on this contribution are appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > -- 
> > Peter
> > _______________________________________________
> > LLVM Developers mailing list
> > LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu         http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu
> > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev
> 
> 
-- 
Peter

Just curious: are you considering the possibility of enabling LTO across user
and runtime code?
Since AFAIK the product of go build is almost always a statically-linked
executable, I guess it would make sense (when doing an optimised build) to feed
the runtime to the linker in IR form and let it run LTO.

Carlo
> On Nov 20, 2014, at 06:53, Peter Collingbourne <peter at pcc.me.uk>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject to the
LLVM
> project, based on the existing llgo project at
https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
> As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
> permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this
contribution,
> to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their changes
> under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
> llgo subproject.
> 
> The frontend would live in the LLVM svn repository and if checked out into
> tools/llgo would build as part of the regular LLVM build (with CMake only).
We
> would be keeping llgo compatible with top-of-tree LLVM, although I imagine
> this would be less burdensome than the other subprojects as llgo is written
> in Go and depends on the Go bindings previously contributed to LLVM.
> 
> llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the Go
> standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and two
> library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and libffi).
These
> would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party directory.
They
> would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with Runtime
> Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header files;
> eventually we would seek to replace these).
> 
> As a first step, I have published:
> 
> http://reviews.llvm.org/D6327
> 
> with the initial code contribution. The mirrored third-party sources will
be
> added later, as the diff would be too large to review. If there is
consensus
> in the community, the next step I propose to take is to create the
subproject
> in svn and check in the initial version of the code.
> 
> Any comments on this contribution are appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Peter
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On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 18:30:08 Carlo Alberto Ferraris <cafxx at
strayorange.com>
wrote:
> Just curious: are you considering the possibility of enabling LTO across
> user and runtime code?
> Since AFAIK the product of go build is almost always a statically-linked
> executable, I guess it would make sense (when doing an optimised build) to
> feed the runtime to the linker in IR form and let it run LTO.
>
Yes, I'd like this to be an option. See:
  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/llgo-dev/NaO36voIcMI
  http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2014-July/074540.html

I don't think I ever recorded any benchmarking results from my experiment.

Cheers,
Andrew

> Carlo
>
> > On Nov 20, 2014, at 06:53, Peter Collingbourne <peter at
pcc.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'd like to propose the contribution of a Go frontend subproject
to the
> LLVM
> > project, based on the existing llgo project at
> https://github.com/go-llvm/llgo .
> > As with the previous contribution of the Go bindings, I have obtained
> > permission from all llgo contributors whose code is part of this
> contribution,
> > to contribute their changes to the LLVM project and relicense their
> changes
> > under the LLVM license. I am also willing to be the code owner for the
> > llgo subproject.
> >
> > The frontend would live in the LLVM svn repository and if checked out
> into
> > tools/llgo would build as part of the regular LLVM build (with CMake
> only). We
> > would be keeping llgo compatible with top-of-tree LLVM, although I
> imagine
> > this would be less burdensome than the other subprojects as llgo is
> written
> > in Go and depends on the Go bindings previously contributed to LLVM.
> >
> > llgo depends on certain third-party components, namely a copy of the
Go
> > standard library (libgo), a Go program analysis library (go.tools) and
> two
> > library dependencies of the standard library (libbacktrace and
libffi).
> These
> > would be mirrored into the llgo repository under a third_party
> directory. They
> > would retain their original licenses, which are BSD and GPLv3 with
> Runtime
> > Library Exception (the latter only applies to a handful of header
files;
> > eventually we would seek to replace these).
> >
> > As a first step, I have published:
> >
> > http://reviews.llvm.org/D6327
> >
> > with the initial code contribution. The mirrored third-party sources
> will be
> > added later, as the diff would be too large to review. If there is
> consensus
> > in the community, the next step I propose to take is to create the
> subproject
> > in svn and check in the initial version of the code.
> >
> > Any comments on this contribution are appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Peter
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