On Apr 12, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Renato Golin wrote:> On 11 April 2011 22:13, Chris Lattner <clattner at apple.com> wrote: >> Hi Renato, >> >> How is a wiki with passwords different than an web site in SVN? > > Not much, but there is one thing where it's better: you don't have to > give commit access to the trunk to someone who only needs to > contribute to the Wiki.As I mentioned, I'm not concerned at all with that. We already have established process for this, and enhancements can be added by other people without commit access. If we don't have someone willing to maintain and administrate the wiki, we need to take it down. Any volunteers? -Chris
Hi,> If we don't have someone willing to maintain and administrate the wiki, we need to take it down. Any volunteers?I think the wiki is a pretty good place to let people contribute their knowledge about llvm. What things a maintainer need to do? Regards, chenwj -- Wei-Ren Chen (陳韋任) Computer Systems Lab, Institute of Information Science, Academia Sinica, Taiwan (R.O.C.) Tel:886-2-2788-3799 #1667
On 13 April 2011 02:49, 陳韋任 <chenwj at iis.sinica.edu.tw> wrote:> I think the wiki is a pretty good place to let people contribute their > knowledge about llvm. What things a maintainer need to do?Hi Chen, In theory, the bare minimum would be to clean it up once in a while, delete the offending accounts and keep an eye on rogue changes. Spam is only the most obvious problem in open wikis, but it's also the most labour intensive to get rid of. Captchas, tokens, two-way authentication, email validation are only to assure accounts are set up by humans, but from there, anything is possible. Another problem is trolling and rogue changes. Genuine people could introduce wrong information, on purpose or unintentionally, and it's up to each page maintainer to check that. Some people do it just for fun (I know a few), and they should be treated just as bad as spammers. Finally, whenever genuine users complain about a rogue user, it's up to the wiki maintainer to settle the dispute and take the appropriate actions (like terminating the user's account). A more advanced maintainer would also look up for improvements, like adding infrastructure to the wiki to avoid all those problems in the first place. Captchas for each commit, review process, moderation management, etc. It's up to you to decide which level you want to go, but at least clean up the trash once in a while would be necessary. ;) cheers, --renato
On Apr 12, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Chris Lattner <clattner at apple.com> wrote:> > On Apr 12, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Renato Golin wrote: > >> On 11 April 2011 22:13, Chris Lattner <clattner at apple.com> wrote: >>> Hi Renato, >>> >>> How is a wiki with passwords different than an web site in SVN? >> >> Not much, but there is one thing where it's better: you don't have to >> give commit access to the trunk to someone who only needs to >> contribute to the Wiki. > > As I mentioned, I'm not concerned at all with that. We already have established process for this, and enhancements can be added by other people without commit access. > > If we don't have someone willing to maintain and administrate the wiki, we need to take it down. Any volunteers? > > -ChrisI'm willing to do that. Just need access to delete pages. - Michael Spencer - iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20110415/d7ae86c7/attachment.html>
On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Michael Spencer wrote:>> >> As I mentioned, I'm not concerned at all with that. We already have established process for this, and enhancements can be added by other people without commit access. >> >> If we don't have someone willing to maintain and administrate the wiki, we need to take it down. Any volunteers? >> >> -Chris > > I'm willing to do that. Just need access to delete pages.Ok, please get in touch with llvm-admin at cs.uiuc.edu. Thanks! -Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20110416/b961510f/attachment.html>