Dave Hansen
2017-Jun-12 16:42 UTC
[PATCH v11 4/6] mm: function to offer a page block on the free list
On 06/12/2017 09:28 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:> >> The hypervisor is going to throw away the contents of these pages, >> right? > It should be careful and only throw away contents that was there before > report_unused_page_block was invoked. Hypervisor is responsible for not > corrupting guest memory. But that's not something an mm patch should > worry about.That makes sense. I'm struggling to imagine how the hypervisor makes use of this information, though. Does it make the pages read-only before this, and then it knows if there has not been a write *and* it gets notified via this new mechanism that it can throw the page away?
Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-Jun-12 20:34 UTC
[PATCH v11 4/6] mm: function to offer a page block on the free list
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 09:42:36AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:> On 06/12/2017 09:28 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > >> The hypervisor is going to throw away the contents of these pages, > >> right? > > It should be careful and only throw away contents that was there before > > report_unused_page_block was invoked. Hypervisor is responsible for not > > corrupting guest memory. But that's not something an mm patch should > > worry about. > > That makes sense. I'm struggling to imagine how the hypervisor makes > use of this information, though. Does it make the pages read-only > before this, and then it knows if there has not been a write *and* it > gets notified via this new mechanism that it can throw the page away?Yes, and specifically, this is how it works for migration. Normally you start by migrating all of memory, then send updates incrementally if pages have been modified. This mechanism allows skipping some pages in the 1st stage, if they get changed they will be migrated in the 2nd stage. -- MST
Dave Hansen
2017-Jun-12 20:54 UTC
[PATCH v11 4/6] mm: function to offer a page block on the free list
On 06/12/2017 01:34 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 09:42:36AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: >> On 06/12/2017 09:28 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: >>> >>>> The hypervisor is going to throw away the contents of these pages, >>>> right? >>> It should be careful and only throw away contents that was there before >>> report_unused_page_block was invoked. Hypervisor is responsible for not >>> corrupting guest memory. But that's not something an mm patch should >>> worry about. >> >> That makes sense. I'm struggling to imagine how the hypervisor makes >> use of this information, though. Does it make the pages read-only >> before this, and then it knows if there has not been a write *and* it >> gets notified via this new mechanism that it can throw the page away? > > Yes, and specifically, this is how it works for migration. Normally you > start by migrating all of memory, then send updates incrementally if > pages have been modified. This mechanism allows skipping some pages in > the 1st stage, if they get changed they will be migrated in the 2nd > stage.OK, so the migration starts and marks everything read-only. All the pages now have read-only valuable data, or read-only worthless data in the case that the page is in the free lists. In order for a page to become non-worthless, it has to have a write done to it, which the hypervisor obviously knows about. With this mechanism, the hypervisor knows it can discard pages which have not had a write since they were known to have worthless contents. Correct? That also seems like pretty good information to include in the changelog. Otherwise, folks are going to be left wondering what good the mechanism is. It's pretty non-trivial to figure out. :)
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