On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:11:07PM -0400, John covici wrote:> But the source computer runs the other os, so I don't have too much > choice as to what I can do and the timeout problems remain with mp3 > as well. The persons involved don't want to use .ogg for now so that > is also not an option. Is this an icecast bug, or some other problem?I repeat:> > If you need MP3, try using ices0Unless you're using software that is known to work well with Icecast2 the problem is likely in your source client. Grab a copy of ices0.3 from www.icecast.org <p> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast-dev/attachments/20030814/a956eb31/part.pgp
But the source computer runs the other os, so I don't have too much choice as to what I can do and the timeout problems remain with mp3 as well. The persons involved don't want to use .ogg for now so that is also not an option. Is this an icecast bug, or some other problem? on Thursday 08/14/2003 Arc(arc@indymedia.org) wrote > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:01:11PM -0400, John Covici wrote: > > Hi. I am having a strange problem where the source times out during > > anicecast2 stream -- I was using mp3pro at 32khz and even some other > > speeds. I have set the source timeout for 1 minute, but it still > > times out or says connection reset by peer. > > Icecast2 isn't designed to use mp3pro, its a different format > alltogether which only uses the "mp3" name to piggyback on the concept > that "mp3 = online music". I don't think it'll work with Icecast2. > > > Now the strange thing is that I also had a windows media stream on > > the same source machine going to a wm server and it had no problems! > > So can someone tell me am I missing something, is wm more reliable? > > If you need MP3, try using ices0, or better yet use ices2 and stream Ogg > Vorbis. Better quality than MP3 (by far), and if you feel the need you > can supply your users with easy access to a Java (JOrbis) client for > listening without an Ogg-enabled player (which most are nowadays). > -- John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 12:11, John covici wrote:> But the source computer runs the other os,If when you say "the other OS" you mean Windows, there are a plentiful amount of ogg vorbis source clients for Windows. A very popular one is the oddcast plugin for Winamp. If when you say "the other OS" you mean MacOS 9/X your options are much more limited. -lee P.S. MP3pro isn't mpeg? What't that about? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
As I said ogg is not an option here, what I am trying to find out is whether this is an icecast problem which it certainly seems to be, or what else might be going on. I know Windows is not too great, but that is what they have and they don't have the bandwidth to be the server themselves -- that is where I thought icecast could do the streaming. on 08/14/2003 Lee Azzarello(lee@fallingforward.net) wrote > On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 12:11, John covici wrote: > > But the source computer runs the other os, > > If when you say "the other OS" you mean Windows, there are a plentiful > amount of ogg vorbis source clients for Windows. A very popular one is > the oddcast plugin for Winamp. If when you say "the other OS" you mean > MacOS 9/X your options are much more limited. > > -lee > > P.S. MP3pro isn't mpeg? What't that about? > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. -- John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I was a bit confused by that statement as well Lee. I've done a bit of work with mp3PRO using a source developed from scratch and a version of the original Icecast modified only trivially to deal with specific metadata requirements. There is a very high level explanation of mp3PRO at the http://www.mp3prozone.com/basics.htm site. At the risk of being somewhat incomplete i will add: 1) The "normal" frames in an mp3PRO file can be decoded by ordinary mpeg/mp3 code. The SBR frames will simply be thrown away. An mp3PRO file reports a sample rate in the non-SBR frames that reflects only those non-SBR frames and thus timing is not effected when an ordinary mp3 decoder throws them away. 2) At low bit rates and up to about 128kbps mp3PRO files and streams in general sound amazing when compared to mp3 files encoded at much higher bit rates. Above 128kbps you do not get much benefit using mp3PRO, but to be fair it was designed specifically to deal with high frequency loss at low bit rates. John, i could not say if the problem is in Icecast2 or in the source you are using. One of the Icecast2 developers might be able to answer that after you provide a more complete description of your setup. In the meantime however it would be fairly trivial to setup a test to isolate the problem using an old version of Icecast (not Icecast2) or another streaming server such the one found in Apple's Darwin project. Best of luck, ~ Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-icecast-dev@xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast-dev@xiph.org]On Behalf Of Lee Azzarello Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 09:53 To: icecast-dev@xiph.org Subject: Re: [icecast-dev] time out issues with icecast2 <p>On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 12:11, John covici wrote:> But the source computer runs the other os,If when you say "the other OS" you mean Windows, there are a plentiful amount of ogg vorbis source clients for Windows. A very popular one is the oddcast plugin for Winamp. If when you say "the other OS" you mean MacOS 9/X your options are much more limited. -lee P.S. MP3pro isn't mpeg? What't that about? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.