I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer. In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp.
Why remove telnet and FTP? Sure--it's insecure if you're using it over the internet, but I use it on my laptop at least a few times per year. I have a small 8-port switch where I plug in my laptop, then plug in an APC UPS and access it via telnet (and use FTP as well) to upgrade the firmware from a version that only supports SSHv1 to something newer. It's not insecure when used in that manner. -A On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Simmons <rsimmons0 at gmail.com> wrote:> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer. > > In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-security at freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-security-unsubscribe at freebsd.org > " >
On Wednesday, 24 July 2019, Robert Simmons wrote: Lolz, right? :-> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and removeall> of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, andsafer. Because nobody has a 32bit computer nowadays??? Similarly, you got any empirical evidence to back up the "... safer" part of your speculation?> In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp.How does the saying go, "if you think that encryption is the solution to your problem then you don't understand neither encryption nor your problem"? I would hazard a guess that over 95% of encrypted traffic needn't be encrypted at all, but no commercial interest developed "integrity over http" so we all have to suffer "encryption under http" instead. -- Igor M.
Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and software technologies, still very much in use today. Luke Crooks Solent Wholesale Carpets On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 17:58 Robert Simmons, <rsimmons0 at gmail.com> wrote:> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer. > > In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-security at freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-security-unsubscribe at freebsd.org > " >
24.07.2019 23:57, Robert Simmons wrote:> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit?Not yet.> Clean out and remove all of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer.And it would impossible to run FreeBSD for 32 bit platforms such as MIPS32 or i386-based virtual machine guests that use noticeable less memory than amd64. FreeBSD has appliances other than desktops.> In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp.They are still in use, for telco hardware etc. They are also perfectly safe while running over IPSEC or isolated vlans.
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Robert Simmons wrote:> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer. > > In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp.Please no. I use telnet on a near daily basis. -- Dan Langille dan at langille.org
Robert Simmons wrote:> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer.I should just *plonk* .. not going to though... because I'm curious, have you actually written, edited or even reviewed code? Especially OS code? I'm going to tell you now you might as well treat the questions as non-rhetorical because I'm not going to read the reply. There are too many embedded devices using 32 bit to even take this seriously. (hint: consider what you gain or lose by designing low power/low heat/low resource devices on 32 and 64 bit.. especially when they don't have storage systems (hard drives) and any more than a few hundred *meg* of RAM.)> In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp. >This is neither here nor there as they are available in Ports. -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/
> On 24 Jul 2019, at 18:57, Robert Simmons <rsimmons0 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer.Keeping 32 and 64 bit code has an interesting side effect. It kinda forces to keep some discipline, same as keeping big endian and little endian code. It can be a bit of a pain in the ass but it forces you to be more careful.> In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp.I don?t understand why. Both tools can be useful in certain situations. For instance telnet is the most immediate way to check wether a service is working and a bunch of important Internet protocols were actually designed so that they could be tested with a simple telnet. From a different point of view, ssh can be more prone to buffer overflows due to more complex code ;) Borja.