Is it possible to place track markers that will be reflected in a cue sheet within a long FLAC file? I have a label who want to offer FLAC downloads of complete albums - but there have to be track points designated within the FLAC file How can I do this please? Many Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/attachments/20101110/87204647/attachment.htm
On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:14, Neil Wilkes wrote:> Is it possible to place track markers that will be reflected in a > cue sheet within a long FLAC file? > I have a label who want to offer FLAC downloads of complete albums > - but there have to be track points designated within the FLAC file > > How can I do this please?I have not yet started using cue sheets, but I have excerpted what I found in my archive of the FLAC-dev list. It looks like there are features to preserve a cue sheet. It may require uncompressing to WAV, but C. Brown has a player which works directly from the FLAC. Brian On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 20:55 -0700, Josh Coalson wrote:> it embeds everything except the tags, see > http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html#general__no_cuesheet_tags > http://flac.sourceforge.net/ > documentation_tools_flac.html#flac_options_cuesheet > http://flac.sourceforge.net/format.html#def_CUESHEET > > JoshOn Nov 9, 2008, at 06:23, Christopher Brown wrote:> Hi Helge, > >> which players for linux/x86 support flac with embedded cuesheet? >> Is there a list somewhere? > > I don't know of a list, but you can try this one that I wrote: > > http://www.audioplayer51.org
I don't know of any more players with this capability, but Foobar2000 enables importing a cuesheet to a .flac, at least. On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 20:14, Neil Wilkes <neilwilkes at opusproductions.com>wrote:> Is it possible to place track markers that will be reflected in a cue > sheet within a long FLAC file? > I have a label who want to offer FLAC downloads of complete albums - but > there have to be track points designated within the FLAC file > > How can I do this please? > > Many Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > Flac-dev mailing list > Flac-dev at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/flac-dev > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/attachments/20101110/20254b45/attachment.htm
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 20:14, Neil Wilkes > <neilwilkes at opusproductions.com> wrote: > > Is it possible to place track markers that will be reflected in a cue > sheet within a long FLAC file? > I have a label who want to offer FLAC downloads of complete albums - but > there have to be track points designated within the FLAC file > > How can I do this please?http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flac+embed+cue+sheet Cheers, Martin
You should read the manual for the FLAC command line utilities. There are many options that would probably achieve what you desire. In particular, one of the links that I sent below clearly leads you to a page describing how cuesheets are related to the SEEKTABLE, and you can create a --seekpoint= marker for each track. Sometimes you really need to take the time to read everything available to you, especially when you have been waiting for months for someone else to read it to you. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting On Nov 11, 2010, at 01:44, Neil Wilkes wrote:> I still cannot see how to embed this within a long file. > The documentation talksabout preserving tracklistings from Audio CD > - this is *not* what I need. > I have a series of 24-bit Wave files, not on Audio CD. > I need to find a way to encode to FLAC and add track points within > the stream. > Is this possible, and how do I do it please? > > I have been trying to find this info for months now, and nobody > seems to even know if it is possible. > > Sincerely > > Neil Wilkes > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Willoughby" > <brianw at sounds.wa.com> >> On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:14, Neil Wilkes wrote: >>> Is it possible to place track markers that will be reflected in >>> a cue sheet within a long FLAC file? >>> I have a label who want to offer FLAC downloads of complete >>> albums - but there have to be track points designated within the >>> FLAC file >>> >>> How can I do this please? >> >> I have not yet started using cue sheets, but I have excerpted what >> I found in my archive of the FLAC-dev list. It looks like there >> are features to preserve a cue sheet. It may require >> uncompressing to WAV, but C. Brown has a player which works >> directly from the FLAC. >> >> Brian >> >> >> On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 20:55 -0700, Josh Coalson wrote: >>> it embeds everything except the tags, see >>> http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html#general__no_cuesheet_tags >>> http://flac.sourceforge.net/ >>> documentation_tools_flac.html#flac_options_cuesheet >>> http://flac.sourceforge.net/format.html#def_CUESHEET >>> >>> Josh >> >> >> On Nov 9, 2008, at 06:23, Christopher Brown wrote: >>> Hi Helge, >>> >>>> which players for linux/x86 support flac with embedded cuesheet? >>>> Is there a list somewhere? >>> >>> I don't know of a list, but you can try this one that I wrote: >>> >>> http://www.audioplayer51.org
Hi Neil, I think you have a misunderstanding or two. What you want to do does not require "code." In fact, you might want to move your question from the FLAC-Dev list to the FLAC (User) list. I'm on both lists, so I did not realize that you were basically asking in the wrong place. No "coding" skills whatsoever are required to create seekpoint markers in a FLAC file. Anyway, FLAC has a command-line program for maximum portability across multiple platforms. While it may seem almost as complicated as "coding," using the command-line is not nearly the same level of difficulty, although it is not familiar to the average computer user. On Mac OS X or Linux, you access the flac command-line from Terminal.app or some other shell program. I'm not sure about Windows, but you would probably use Command.com for access. Again, if you read the documentation for the command-line program that is the core of all FLAC support, then you will find argument options to specify --seekpoint markers, and you should be able to easily create one per "track." Unfortunately, I do not know of any fancy GUI front ends for FLAC which offer this feature, but none of the GUI front ends come from the main FLAC project anyway. Most of the FLAC GUI programs are based on an out-of-date version of the flac command-line, and they do not offer access to all features. For that reason, I use the command-line flac program exclusively, because I'd rather not bother with learning the deficiencies of the GUI programs. In order to get full access to all FLAC features, you need to learn how to access a command-line on your computer, and run the flac command-line tools. Once you learn how to do this, adding your own custom seekpoint markers should be dead simple. All command-line FLAC options can be discovered on the command line by using the -- help option. On the Mac, you might even be able to use Apple events to script this so that creating each new album will be fairly easy. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting On Nov 15, 2010, at 08:09, Neil Wilkes wrote:> Hi Brian > > Sorry to be so dense, but I am a mere mix engineer, and am not very > good at all with code. > Hence I am still having trouble here, as everything I can find > seems to relate to content extracted from CD-DA and to Red Book > standards - this is not what I am looking for, although it is of > course highly possible I have my terms mixed up. > > Sorry also if I seem ignorant or stupid to you - when it comes to > this, I am afraid I am about as useful as a chocolate fireguard. > I suspect that many people would have difficulty re-authoring a > DVD, or creating a 5.1 surround mix too. > > If you cannot help any further, then that is fine - I appreciate > the pointers you have given me thus far and will try to find > someone who speaks code talk to explain it to the dumb sound > engineer......but if it is at all possible, what I really need to > know is how I take a 24-bit Wave file on my DAW, and encode to FLAC > with track points embedded. > I cannot seem to find a way to add the timings to the encoded file, > no matter where I look - all I can find are ways to create CUE > sheets and lots of individual files from a CD rip. > > Sorry to be dense. > > Neil > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Willoughby" > <brianw at sounds.wa.com> >> You should read the manual for the FLAC command line utilities. >> There are many options that would probably achieve what you >> desire. In particular, one of the links that I sent below >> clearly leads you to a page describing how cuesheets are related >> to the SEEKTABLE, and you can create a --seekpoint= marker for >> each track. >> >> Sometimes you really need to take the time to read everything >> available to you, especially when you have been waiting for >> months for someone else to read it to you. >> >> Brian Willoughby >> Sound Consulting >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2010, at 01:44, Neil Wilkes wrote: >>> I still cannot see how to embed this within a long file. >>> The documentation talksabout preserving tracklistings from Audio >>> CD - this is *not* what I need. >>> I have a series of 24-bit Wave files, not on Audio CD. >>> I need to find a way to encode to FLAC and add track points >>> within the stream. >>> Is this possible, and how do I do it please? >>> >>> I have been trying to find this info for months now, and nobody >>> seems to even know if it is possible. >>> >>> Sincerely >>> >>> Neil Wilkes >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Willoughby" >>> <brianw at sounds.wa.com> >>>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:14, Neil Wilkes wrote: >>>>> Is it possible to place track markers that will be reflected >>>>> in a cue sheet within a long FLAC file? >>>>> I have a label who want to offer FLAC downloads of complete >>>>> albums - but there have to be track points designated within >>>>> the FLAC file >>>>> >>>>> How can I do this please? >>>> >>>> I have not yet started using cue sheets, but I have excerpted >>>> what I found in my archive of the FLAC-dev list. It looks like >>>> there are features to preserve a cue sheet. It may require >>>> uncompressing to WAV, but C. Brown has a player which works >>>> directly from the FLAC. >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 20:55 -0700, Josh Coalson wrote: >>>>> it embeds everything except the tags, see >>>>> http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html#general__no_cuesheet_tags >>>>> http://flac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>> documentation_tools_flac.html#flac_options_cuesheet >>>>> http://flac.sourceforge.net/format.html#def_CUESHEET >>>>> >>>>> Josh
I do not understand why you are giving up. If you have "specific times" then why can't you convert that to seconds or samples? It's just simple math to calculate the translation. Also, I assume that you can use the option more than once if you have more than one track marker to place. Have you even tried this once? I don't think your GUI will work - you need to use the command line. Brian On Nov 16, 2010, at 03:37, Neil Wilkes wrote:> Well, I must be the world's biggest fool - after looking at the > help files for the version I just got from the FLAC download links, > all I can see for seektable is to specify these points in samples > or every "x" seconds. > I cannot see how to do this from a 24-bit source file that has > specific times where I need to add a track marker. > I also see no way at all to specify any track from the list on > playback. > BTW - the GUI front end I use came from the same installation as > the main FLAC files, and I got those from the website. > I am not using any odd front ends except this one, and this one > blatantly does not do what I need. > > I think I will just give up on this. > (Whilst I am aware of how to access command line tools, I try to > avoid this as I am not that literate and simply do not have the > time to learn it. If it cannot be done from a simple dialogue where > I point the encoder at the source and tell it I need markers here, > here & here, then it is too complex for a simple mix engineer like me) > > Thanks for your help.
By the way, could anyone else who has used the --seektable option chime in here with your experience? I have not seen any other replies to Neil's questions, and it seems like he really needs more help that I can offer. Brian On Nov 16, 2010, at 14:45, Brian Willoughby wrote:> I do not understand why you are giving up. If you have "specific > times" then why can't you convert that to seconds or samples? It's > just simple math to calculate the translation. Also, I assume that > you can use the option more than once if you have more than one track > marker to place. > > Have you even tried this once? I don't think your GUI will work - > you need to use the command line. > > On Nov 16, 2010, at 03:37, Neil Wilkes wrote: >> Well, I must be the world's biggest fool - after looking at the >> help files for the version I just got from the FLAC download links, >> all I can see for seektable is to specify these points in samples >> or every "x" seconds. >> I cannot see how to do this from a 24-bit source file that has >> specific times where I need to add a track marker. >> I also see no way at all to specify any track from the list on >> playback. >> BTW - the GUI front end I use came from the same installation as >> the main FLAC files, and I got those from the website. >> I am not using any odd front ends except this one, and this one >> blatantly does not do what I need. >> >> I think I will just give up on this. >> (Whilst I am aware of how to access command line tools, I try to >> avoid this as I am not that literate and simply do not have the >> time to learn it. If it cannot be done from a simple dialogue where >> I point the encoder at the source and tell it I need markers here, >> here & here, then it is too complex for a simple mix engineer like >> me) >> >> Thanks for your help.